jcesare
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No decision to cost has been made yet. This was a complete guess.pksd1 said:
Balboa Park Charging Stations
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wsbca
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Thought everyone might enjoy this view of all 3 Space Theater spots "non-ICE'd" - this was around 8:30am on Friday. We walked to Cafe on Park, then back for a circuit through the Zoo. When we returned, one of the other two cars was still there, the other space was empty.
TonyWilliams
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I was there Saturday (twice) and not a single ICE in all ten spots.
jcesare
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New EV Only signage in Balboa Park
If they charge to use the EVSE I assume this will be billed through the Blink network. What happens if an ICE car parks in the spot? Last I looked it wasn't illegal for ICE cars to use these spots. Since they don't need to charge, wouldn't they be able to take the spot and not pay a penny?
Here's another scenario, what happens if an EV takes the spot but only needs 10 minutes to charge, will this person be charged for using the spot even if he is not charging?? If the answer is no, how is it fair that someone who doesn't need the spot could hog it up? This is no better than a big Hummer being parked there.
Here's another scenario, what happens if an EV takes the spot but only needs 10 minutes to charge, will this person be charged for using the spot even if he is not charging?? If the answer is no, how is it fair that someone who doesn't need the spot could hog it up? This is no better than a big Hummer being parked there.
jcesare
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I believe that the new signage now allows the park rangers to ticket cars.LKK said:
TonyWilliams
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jcesare said:
The new signs are compliant with AB475 that amended California Vehicle Code 22511:
FILED WITH SECRETARY OF STATE SEPTEMBER 7, 2011
APPROVED BY GOVERNOR SEPTEMBER 7, 2011
PASSED THE SENATE AUGUST 18, 2011
PASSED THE ASSEMBLY AUGUST 22, 2011
AMENDED IN SENATE JUNE 21, 2011
AMENDED IN SENATE JUNE 7, 2011
AMENDED IN ASSEMBLY APRIL 25, 2011
AMENDED IN ASSEMBLY MARCH 24, 2011
INTRODUCED BY Assembly Member Butler
(Coauthor: Assembly Member Achadjian)
FEBRUARY 15, 2011
THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA DO ENACT AS FOLLOWS:
SECTION 1. Section 22511 of the Vehicle Code is amended to read:
22511. (a) A local authority, by ordinance or resolution, and a
person in lawful possession of an offstreet parking facility may
designate stalls or spaces in an offstreet parking facility owned or
operated by that local authority or person for the exclusive purpose
of charging and parking a vehicle that is connected for electric
charging purposes.
(b) If posted in accordance with subdivision (d) or (e), the owner
or person in lawful possession of a privately owned or operated
offstreet parking facility, after notifying the police or sheriff's
department, may cause the removal of a vehicle from a stall or space
designated pursuant to subdivision (a) in the facility to the nearest
public garage if the vehicle is not connected for electric charging
purposes.
(c) If posted in accordance with subdivision (d), the local
authority owning or operating an offstreet parking facility, after
notifying the police or sheriff's department, may cause the removal
of a vehicle from a stall or space designated pursuant to subdivision
(a) in the facility to the nearest garage, as defined in Section
340, that is owned, leased, or approved for use by a public agency if
the vehicle is not connected for electric charging purposes.
(d) The posting required for an offstreet parking facility owned
or operated either privately or by a local authority shall consist of
a sign not less than 17 by 22 inches in size with lettering not less
than one inch in height that clearly and conspicuously states the
following: "Unauthorized vehicles not connected for electric charging
purposes will be towed away at owner's expense. Towed vehicles may
be reclaimed at
_________________________________or by telephoning
(Address)
_______________________________________________.''
(Telephone number of local law enforcement agency)
The sign shall be posted in either of the following locations:
(1) Immediately adjacent to, and visible from, the stall or space.
(2) In a conspicuous place at each entrance to the offstreet
parking facility.
(e) If the parking facility is privately owned and public parking
is prohibited by the posting of a sign meeting the requirements of
paragraph (1) of subdivision (a) of Section 22658, the requirements
of subdivision (b) may be met by the posting of a sign immediately
adjacent to, and visible from, each stall or space indicating that a
vehicle not meeting the requirements of subdivision (a) will be
removed at the owner's expense and containing the telephone number of
the local traffic law enforcement agency.
(f) This section does not interfere with existing law governing
the ability of local authorities to adopt ordinances related to
parking programs within their jurisdiction, such as programs that
provide free parking in metered areas or municipal garages for
electric vehicles.
SEC. 2. Section 22511.1 of the Vehicle Code is amended to read:
22511.1. (a) A person shall not park or leave standing a vehicle
in a stall or space designated pursuant to Section 22511 unless the
vehicle is connected for electric charging purposes.
(b) A person shall not obstruct, block, or otherwise bar access to
parking stalls or spaces described in subdivision (a) except as
provided in subdivision (a).
SEC. 3. No reimbursement is required by this act pursuant to
Section 6 of Article XIII B of the California Constitution because
the only costs that may be incurred by a local agency or school
district will be incurred because this act creates a new crime or
infraction, eliminates a crime or infraction, or changes the penalty
for a crime or infraction, within the meaning of Section 17556 of the
Government Code, or changes the definition of a crime within the
meaning of Section 6 of Article XIII B of the California
Constitution.
TonyWilliams said:
Thanks for correcting me. I'm happy to see the situation over there is being fixed. It is so irrating to see folks ignore the signs. Speaking of the signs, unfortunately I think they are going to have to change them again to conform to the provisions of AB475. I'm refering to the part that says "Unauthorized vehicles not connected for electric charging purposes will be towed away at owner's expense."
davewill
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Or they can leave them as it is, and write a local ordinance that allows citations, instead. I don't see towing as necessary in this location...there are enough EVSEs that tickets will probably be enough deterrent to keep at least some of them clear.LKK said:
garygid
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It would appear that the chosen signage was chosen so that AB475's towing provisions (of a disconnected EV) would NOT apply to these spaces.
If the AB475 signage was used, I would NOT park there and take the risk of being towed away.
If the AB475 signage was used, I would NOT park there and take the risk of being towed away.
TonyWilliams
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Today was a sad day for myself and the Blink network. I started the day with two bars, because my home Blink failed to charge the car. So, I drove the car until 5.7 miles past VLB to arrive at the airport to fly up to the Bay Area LEAF meeting in SJC.
When I returned, I knew I didn't have enough power to get to the Balboa Park chargers, so I begged to let me charge at the parking garage on 120v (I had asked when i originally arrived, and they said no). They did let me sit there for 33 minutes pouring in electrons.
I figured I had gained a mile per 12 minutes, so I might make it up the very steep hill for the 1.6 miles to Balboa Park. When I arrived, I saw that they street to the park (Laurel) was closed, so I decided to try driving around to the north and east. That was blocked, too, but I was able convince the guard to let me go to the car chargers at Rueben H. Fleet.
When I arrived, there was one LEAF charging and two Car2Go EVs not. Of course, I soon found out why they weren't hogging all the spots. Both available chargers were "Tango Uniform". BTW, i have now driven over 4 miles.
When I returned, I knew I didn't have enough power to get to the Balboa Park chargers, so I begged to let me charge at the parking garage on 120v (I had asked when i originally arrived, and they said no). They did let me sit there for 33 minutes pouring in electrons.
I figured I had gained a mile per 12 minutes, so I might make it up the very steep hill for the 1.6 miles to Balboa Park. When I arrived, I saw that they street to the park (Laurel) was closed, so I decided to try driving around to the north and east. That was blocked, too, but I was able convince the guard to let me go to the car chargers at Rueben H. Fleet.
When I arrived, there was one LEAF charging and two Car2Go EVs not. Of course, I soon found out why they weren't hogging all the spots. Both available chargers were "Tango Uniform". BTW, i have now driven over 4 miles.
TonyWilliams
Well-known member
I drove over to the Auto Museum / Air and Space chargers, to try my luck there (I actually had very little confidence I would make that mile drive). Here's what I found at 11:15pm:
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