LeftieBiker wrote:I'm not sure we're on the same page. I thought you were talking about self-driving scooters...
, although that may be possible. I expect two-wheeled AVs to be something like the EN-V initially developed by Segway for GM, i.e. self-balancing with side-by-side wheels rather than tandem.
LeftieBiker wrote:Ok, I watched the vid. So many fails! Anything described as "28MPH" will likely do an actual 25MPH - too slow, and in many cases too expensive as well. The Gogoro (sp?) seems like the best bet, although a couple of the others would do for urban-only riding.
Agreed, something like the Gogoro is what I have I mind for a sit-down scooter, essentially a standard gas scooter powered by a battery.
LeftieBiker wrote:Here is, IMHO, what a real scooter needs to be an actual success. I have taken economics into account as well as performance.
* A single frame with two available drivetrains, and two bodies that can be mixed and matched. One Vespa style "classic" body with lots of storage and one "tall wheel" (usually 16") modern motorcycle style body. Tall wheel scooters ride and handle better.
* One 30MPH "Urban" drivetrain with a roughly 2.5kw motor and enough battery capacity to provide a range of up to 35 miles, with a removable pack and a fast recharge time. It would be geared or tuned to provide enough acceleration to beat typical traffic to 25MPH from stoplights.
* One "Cruiser" drivetrain with a 4+kw motor capable of sustained 45MPH (limited) to ~58MPH (limiter off) speeds, and a battery that can provide a range of ~60 miles (limiter on) to 40+ miles (limiter off). This version could also have a one or two battery option, with a low base price, that can have a second battery added later.
* Built-in cargo storage (amazingly about half of the above scooters lack this), with an available robust top box that doubles or triples that storage. The folding scooters need at least an optional folding basket.
* Smart phone connectivity. (This doesn't much interest me, but it would be necessary for the modern market. The app could turn the limiter on or off, as well as perform the other functions mentioned in the video.)
* Fully waterproof components and good lighting. You'd think this wouldn't have to specified, but it does, believe me.
Looks like a good list, and lacking any personal scooter experience (minibikes would be the closest), I defer to yours. For me personally, I intend to keep moving under my own propulsion (walking and biking) for local use for as long as I'm physically capable, so motorized personal transport isn't the way I'm looking to go, but I realize that the vast majority of people prefer not to propel themselves if given a choice (and even I'm glad that I have the option of hopping into my car if I'm really not up for riding that day due to illness, weather or being late).