a03326495
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Used Leaf Buying Advice

Sun Dec 10, 2017 5:06 pm

We are looking at buying a used Nissan Leaf and are hoping folks on this forum can weigh in on our decision a bit. We are currently looking at 2 cars:

Both $10999

One is:
2013 SV
7,700 miles
11 bars on battery

One is:
2014 SV
44,200 miles
11 bars on battery

Both have quick charge and 220 charger, both have 1 previous owner.

Our immediate inclination is to buy the 2013 because the mileage is so low, but we are wondering if the battery degraded to 11 with so few miles on the car might be a sign that we’ll have rapid degradation of the battery going forward.

We also considered buying the newer car because it has more years on the warranty (though getting close to Nissan’s 60k mile battery warranty)

Which would you buy?

It looks like similar cars without the DC quickcharge are going for $2000+ cheaper than these. How important have you found that feature? (we’re in a city in CA, so lots of charging stations available.)

Thank you!

cwerdna
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Re: Used Leaf Buying Advice

Sun Dec 10, 2017 5:24 pm

Insufficient info.

Can you update your location info via your user name in the upper right > User Control Panel > Profile tab? That way, we don't need to ask in future posts/threads or do sleuthing to deduce it.

What are your daily driving needs in terms of miles? How much city vs. highway? Will you have the ability to charge at your work/destinations?

What's the build month on each? Very important: Where did each of the cars reside before? Hot climates == lots of battery degradation, esp. on ones built before 4/2013. What was the original in-service date on each? That's when the warranty clock started ticking.

For me, the CHAdeMO inlet was NOT worth the price, so I didn't bother when I bought my used done. I don't have time to repost why, but please see viewtopic.php?p=508786#p508786. Basically, reason for me was: not worth it to me to pay $1K to $1.5K for the privilege of spending more $ to DC FC my Leaf than to fuel my Prius. I lived with a '13 Leaf w/CHAdeMO for 2 years and used the inlet about 16 times in free DC FCs. None of those are free any more and there are almost no free ones left in the Bay Area.

FWIW, I live and work hotter parts of the SF Bay Area and lost my 1st capacity bar on my 5/2013 built Leaf a few weeks ago: viewtopic.php?p=511915#p511915. I tried to baby the battery on weekdays, keep it out of the heat and tried to let the battery cool outside at night.

https://www.facebook.com/notes/seattle- ... 373291032/ may help.

'13 Leaf SV w/premium package (owned)
'13 Leaf SV w/QC + LED & premium packages (lease over, car returned)
'06 Prius

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a03326495
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Re: Used Leaf Buying Advice

Sun Dec 10, 2017 5:39 pm

Thanks for the quick reply. We're in Sacramento, CA.

Most of the driving will be a 50mi round trip commute 4 days a week, with some in town driving. There is charging at work.

From Carfax:

The 2013, (Oct build month) was leased in LA.

The 2014, (Feb build month) was leased in Long Beach.

We're very excited to make the switch to electric! Thanks for the help!

cwerdna
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Re: Used Leaf Buying Advice

Sun Dec 10, 2017 5:43 pm

I'll have to think about the cars more but the only part of the 5 year/60K warranty you might care about is the EV system/powertrain warranty.

Unless the cars had their BMSes reset (e.g. http://daveinolywa.blogspot.com/2014/11 ... -read.html ; search for posts by AntronX in the thread at viewtopic.php?p=489739#p489739), neither is going to hit 8 bars before the 5 year/60K capacity warranty is up. My semi-wild guess is that neither of the cars you listed was reset.

'13 Leaf SV w/premium package (owned)
'13 Leaf SV w/QC + LED & premium packages (lease over, car returned)
'06 Prius

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erco
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Re: Used Leaf Buying Advice

Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:21 pm

I'd keep looking, there are a lot of cheaper cars out there. I just got my first EV in October here in LA, a 2014 S for $7500 from a private party. 30K miles, had 12 bars, it just lost a bar a month after I bought it, DOH! Drives great, I love it, even though it's a SLOW charger, 3.6kW, no DCFC. That was the only black eye for this car, the private seller was asking $8000 but I offered $7500 since I figured I'd need to buy an L2 charger at home.

BTW from what I gather, the battery degradation (bars lost) is more related to battery age than mileage, assuming the car hasn't been abused in a hot area. I see some 2015s with 12 bars with over 50K miles.

I shopped on Carfax for a long time before I bought, Metro Nissan was flipping several 2015's coming off lease for $10K with 16K miles. That became my standard for pricing. At first I thought that buying from a Nissan dealer was more legit than a private party, but the salesmen really knew nothing about Leafs, or the many different warranties on the car/powertrain and battery.

I ultimately found my car on Craigslist, and I am the THIRD owner. No worries.

For a while now, Metro has had two 2015s for $14K, with just 323 and 1554 miles:
https://www.metronissanmontclair.com/Ve ... f&offset=0

A Leaf NUT I met says that Silicon Valley has more Leafs for sale than anywhere, so you're closer than I was to Leaf heaven than I am. Keep looking!

Check for Norcal incentives at https://www.driveclean.ca.gov/pev/Incentives.php . I'm getting $450 from my power company: https://www.scecleanfuel.com/

And $250 from AQMD for my L2 EVSE: http://www.aqmd.gov/home/programs/commu ... -incentive
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LeftieBiker
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Re: Used Leaf Buying Advice

Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:52 pm

BTW from what I gather, the battery degradation (bars lost) is more related to battery age than mileage, assuming the car hasn't been abused in a hot area.


That's the case with the first version of the pack, from 2011 through March of 2013 builds. After that, age is much less a factor.
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baustin
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Re: Used Leaf Buying Advice

Mon Dec 11, 2017 4:26 am

I would suggest you keep looking and see what else is out there. But, if your choice is just between those two, I would get the 2013 model. There is only a few months difference in the build dates, the 2013 has much lower mileage, and it also has the 80% charge option (which was removed for the 2014 and newer models). If you want, you can also purchase an extended warranty at a discount from some Nissan dealers. It is a little more, since the original warranty is expired, and has a $100 deductible per visit, but is available if you want it.
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powersurge
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Re: Used Leaf Buying Advice

Mon Dec 11, 2017 5:28 am

To summarize all of the long winded posts so far, don't buy either of these cars. $11K is a high price for these cars, and you could get much better and younger cars for that price. If you are willing to spend that much, then go for a 15, 16 with no more than 20k miles and 12 bars.....

edatoakrun
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Re: Used Leaf Buying Advice

Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:45 am

a03326495 wrote:We are looking at buying a used Nissan Leaf ...

It looks like similar cars without the DC quickcharge are going for $2000+ cheaper than these. How important have you found that feature?...

Just don't buy any BEV without a DC port, unless you plan to never drive more than ~50 miles from home, and plan to give it away rather than resell it in the future.

You are fortunate to live in a region where you can travel in any direction (except to the north-where I live, and where DC is coming soon) and already have the DC infrastructure that makes a ~$5,000 used LEAF with a DC port much more capable than a ~$30,000 new BEV without DC capability.

Every year I drive my 2011 LEAF to the Bay area, and every year it has become a better car, due to DC infrastructure improvements.
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a03326495
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Re: Used Leaf Buying Advice

Mon Dec 11, 2017 10:13 am

Thanks for all the advice, we'll follow it and keep looking. Again, much appreciation to all of you!

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