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Re: Update on Nissan LEAF Battery Replacement

Fri Jun 27, 2014 1:00 pm

So, it turns out SYB = Sell your battery. ;)

Too long a wait; good outcome. Now I have a "way out" and I can drive the car as long as I want until there's somewhere it can no longer go. I don't have to replace the battery until I need to.
And there goes the first capacity bar! At 24,000 mi on 9/9/2013.
Second bar at 30,500 mi on 2/7/2015.

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Re: Update on Nissan LEAF Battery Replacement

Fri Jun 27, 2014 1:01 pm

My take on replacement being mandatory - Nissan doesn't want people to buy the cheap battery for conversions etc.
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Re: Update on Nissan LEAF Battery Replacement

Fri Jun 27, 2014 1:02 pm

I expected this to be a popular announcement, but this post was a bit of a surprise to me:
mtndrew1 wrote:This just moved the Leaf way up on my shopping list for when my Volt lease expires early next year.

Excellent job, Nissan.
Welcome, mtndrew1!

As an (ex) advisory board member, I would like to thank Brian and the rest of the team at Nissan for listening carefully to the feedback and for putting together this terrific program! (I even see some response in your message to feedback in our call last week!) I also expect there are probably many thousands of details that had to be addressed to make this all happen which the advisory board never saw, but that effort is also appreciated.

I am hopeful that this option, (or an improved one) is available when I get around to needing a new battery for our LEAF as Ed said: "around 2020".
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Re: Update on Nissan LEAF Battery Replacement

Fri Jun 27, 2014 1:04 pm

thankyouOB wrote:-Nissan has done something, but it is certainly not enough, to standardize the install price;
Nissan expects the installation to take about three hours but actual shop time and pricing is at the dealer's discretion.
(we can always shop around.)


We discussed this point w Nissan, knowing it was a concern here. Unfortunately, like new vehicle pricing, automakers by law can't force a certain labor price for customer-pay service, or even the battery pack itself besides setting an MSRP. But as you noted, we know folks will report their experiences here and elsewhere, and others will choose their dealer accordingly.

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Re: Update on Nissan LEAF Battery Replacement

Fri Jun 27, 2014 1:05 pm

Only one further request: Please STOP calling anything over 80F degrees "extremely hot." We never bought this loaded language when it was first used to justify the poor engineering, and we are NOT buying it now. It is good to hear that Nissan has now stepped up to the plate and allegedly corrected this gross oversight, but continuing on with this adspeak is not doing you any favors.
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Re: Update on Nissan LEAF Battery Replacement

Fri Jun 27, 2014 1:06 pm

Pretty much what we had hoped. I'm very relieved at this news. While I have experienced substantial battery degradation, I'd like to hold out to see whether backwards compatibility will be maintained for the '11s when the next-generation battery comes out. Even if not, it's nice to know that the LEAF now is truly a durable vehicle, as I can replace the pack whenever I'd like.

Bravo!
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Re: Update on Nissan LEAF Battery Replacement

Fri Jun 27, 2014 1:09 pm

RegGuheert wrote:I expected this to be a popular announcement, but this post was a bit of a surprise to me:
mtndrew1 wrote:This just moved the Leaf way up on my shopping list for when my Volt lease expires early next year.

Excellent job, Nissan.
Welcome, mtndrew1!

As an (ex) advisory board member, I would like to thank Brian and the rest of the team at Nissan for listening carefully to the feedback and for putting together this terrific program! (I even see some response in your message to feedback in our call last week!) I also expect there are probably many thousands of details that had to be addressed to make this all happen which the advisory board never saw, but that effort is also appreciated.

I am hopeful that this option, (or an improved one) is available when I get around to needing a new battery for our LEAF as Ed said: "around 2020".


I've been lurking here for a long time, watching the battery degradation debacle unfold, and hoping for some sanity to emerge from Nissan so that I may seriously consider their product.

I still think it's dopey to have a sealed box of batteries cooking in the car without thermal relief, but this shows Nissan is aware of its goof and will take care of its customers. This program also shows Nissan's commitment to EVs. The e-NV van's active cooling looks promising as well.

Overall my fear of signing on the dotted line and then being abandoned by Nissan has subsided with this announcement. My Volt has been extremely problematic but GM's support at the corporate and dealer levels has been beyond outstanding, so this is important to me.
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Re: Update on Nissan LEAF Battery Replacement

Fri Jun 27, 2014 1:20 pm

So one question that begs to be answered out of curiosity is what the battery actually costs Nissan... One has to assume that they are not losing money at $5,500 retail so the cost of the battery must be equal to or less than this... That being the case, it can be argued that the cost of the battery is much less of a percentage of the vehicle cost than originally surmised... And that Nissan is making more on the Leaf (or losing less) than some suggested...
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Re: Update on Nissan LEAF Battery Replacement

Fri Jun 27, 2014 1:25 pm

LTLFTcomposite wrote:
pkulak wrote:Tom's head is going to explode.

Who is Tom? thankyouOB?


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Re: Update on Nissan LEAF Battery Replacement

Fri Jun 27, 2014 1:28 pm

mtndrew1 wrote:My Volt has been extremely problematic but GM's support at the corporate and dealer levels has been beyond outstanding, so this is important to me.


Sorry to hear that!! Well since you are now wiling to consider a LEAF I can share my experiences with you. The worst fault I've had is a faulty electric window master switch, which my extended warranty covered. Had a speaker replaced early on under factory warranty. That's pretty much it.

The LEAF is generally speaking well engineered, and now with the Lizard battery option I think we can say its well engineered, period!
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