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Re: Nissan LEAF Update from Andy Palmer

Thu Dec 27, 2012 11:39 am

TonyWilliams wrote:Great maneuvering Nissan !!!! Now, they can keep pumping out exactly the same car in Phoenix, get exactly the same results, and pay virtually nothing. Bravo.
I'm not sure I follow you here, Tony. It appears to me that they will need to pay to maintain the LEAFs in Phoenix above 70% capacity until they reach 5 years or 60,000 miles.
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Re: Nissan LEAF Update from Andy Palmer

Thu Dec 27, 2012 11:45 am

I agree that this is a good first step.

A couple of years of history suggest that only those U.S. LEAF owners in the desert southwest, Texas, South Florida and Hawaii may see battery degradation which exceeds the new, proposed warranty, and even in those cases, they will have a guarantee to retain at least 70% capacity through 60,000 miles or five years, whichever comes first. Since those LEAF owners represent just a small fraction of the total LEAF owners in the U.S., it seems like a reasonable business decision on Nissan' part.

However, it doesn't change my view that LEAFs should be lease-only in hot climates (like the ones I mentioned above). And, if you are someone in a hot climate, who puts so many miles a year on a car that a lease isn't a viable choice, I'd skip the LEAF entirely.
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Re: Nissan LEAF Update from Andy Palmer

Thu Dec 27, 2012 11:51 am

I will be interested to see how the fine print reads. I would also like to see how they will sustain adding fractional capacity to a pack that has linear degradation vs one with say a defective module, fractional could lead to a stop-gap fix that holds the pack to the warranty level until the warranty expires. One module in the weak link could give a small boost to capacity and holds the car there for a brief time at the edge of the warranty or requires frequent return visits over a few years. Time will tell.

I'm a bit shy of 2 years and 10K miles and stil have 280-281 Gids. This is at least a reference point to use for worst-case senario for high-heat areas.

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Re: Nissan LEAF Update from Andy Palmer

Thu Dec 27, 2012 11:57 am

as a public relations and customer support program, it would be far better for Nissan to guarantee a 10 bar capacity under warranty as it is already a standard the Nissan itself uses in ALL LEAF material and has set as the standard of charging that is recommended for long life of a new vehicle.

in my view, the newly announced and proposed warranty fails for that reason as a public relations and customer support standard.
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Re: Nissan LEAF Update from Andy Palmer

Thu Dec 27, 2012 12:09 pm

Wouldn't a TMS have been a better fix moving forward. So using this logic if I had an ICE vehicle and the engine blew under warrantee Nissan would replace engine with a used one that had 50k miles on it. WTF.
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Re: Nissan LEAF Update from Andy Palmer

Thu Dec 27, 2012 12:21 pm

I would hope that Nissan would aim to replace as few batteries under warranty as possible just due to labor and shipping costs, so it wouldn't make much sense to replace an end-of-life battery with a refurbished one that was so near end-of-life that it had to be replaced again in a couple of months.
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Re: Nissan LEAF Update from Andy Palmer

Thu Dec 27, 2012 12:23 pm

downeykp wrote:Wouldn't a TMS have been a better fix moving forward. So using this logic if I had an ICE vehicle and the engine blew under warrantee Nissan would replace engine with a used one that had 50k miles on it. WTF.
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Your analogy does not make sense. Car makers do not warranty levels of wear on an ICE but if something fails they wil fix that. If Nissan warranties a capacity level then they need to only restore it to that level. If the warranty says they wil restore it to 100% should it drop to 70% then they need to do that, the coverage does not say that however. If one buys an EV knowing they wil get "X" capacity for a certain term then that seems quite clear. It was quite clear what was covered before, no capacity. I am sure some people will expect this new warranty will cover a full 100% no mater what they read or sign, that's almost a given. Consumers should read the warranty before buying a product and not "assume" coverage is implied.

The pack design was a business/engineering decision that may still make perfect sense for this application.

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Re: Nissan LEAF Update from Andy Palmer

Thu Dec 27, 2012 12:28 pm

Glad I was able to get out of my Leaf when I did. I would not have leased my Leaf if this warranty was disclosed back in early 2011. I won't be buying or leasing a new Leaf as a result of this warranty. I would need a capacity v. time curve to know what I can count on month by month. At least future buyers will know what to expect when buying a Leaf, other than a replacement pack cost. Let's hope Nissan announces the cost for a battery pack sooner rather than later. Disclosure might shrink the pie of potential buyers, but it should result in fewer dissatisfied owners. Good luck Nissan! I still hope they'll get the Leaf right one of these years so I can buy one since I did like it while I drove it for 18 months.
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Re: Nissan LEAF Update from Andy Palmer

Thu Dec 27, 2012 12:32 pm

This is great if you live in Seattle and want an extra feeling of security. This does absolutely nothing to address the underlying problem of Leafs in hot spots and the lack of a TMS. I've seen one car below nine bars, and it had 45 miles on the GOM at 100% charge; at that point my wife would barely be able to complete her 25-26 mile commute. This was a carefully crafted offer to essentially give nothing, but come out looking generous. So if I reach 8 bars you only have to boost me back to 9?

No thanks. I'll be calling Nissan today.

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Re: Nissan LEAF Update from Andy Palmer

Thu Dec 27, 2012 12:40 pm

so you could technically drive your batteries down as much as your commute allows and then get boosted to 9 bars. I think it's a fair deal and better then no warranty at all. I wonder if others will follow Nissan and offer some sort of capacity warranty.
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