SageBrush wrote:Testing a modern EV as if it is a degraded 24 kWh LEAF makes this "study" FUD
Using cabin heating in an EV instead of seat heating makes the driver a fool.
This view is not doing any EV adoption desires any favors.
I thought it was complete nonsense when i bought my leaf years back and still do that the "proper" way to drive an EV is to compromise with heavy gloves and a hat as if you're in some hoopty with non-functioning heating.
Using cabin heat is something we've been doing for a century and will continue to do so. No amount of seat heating or steering wheel heating is going to stop people's desire to be in a 72 F cabin, whether it's 40 outside or -20. And if the EV says this is unrealistic, they'll stick with their ICE.
golfcart wrote:And if someone buys a used Leaf, Soul, Focus, or i3 EV expecting 80 miles of range, commutes around 40 miles daily using the heat like they would any other car, and is shocked to find that they can barely make it home in the winter they are fools...
Nothing new. I read this same view on these forums a good seven years ago. I refused to partake in such shenanigans and when it became apparent that my EV could not deliver the experience I had grown up with (quite literally), it got the boot. I fully expect I'll go back to an EV in the nearish future, but I will assume its stated range is, in the winter, 50% of claimed and be sure that such a figure works for me.
SageBrush wrote:This is not complicated: Even the EPA realizes that a range test should be continuous driving and not multiple cold soaks.
Other than a few min of high MPG consumption while an ICE warms up a cold soak doesn't bother it because it has infinite cabin heat, so there is no need to do multiple short trips.
Yes, in theory a 250 range EV could do better than 125 in super cold temps if it does it as a single trip
. But if you're doing multiple trips throughout the day, and they all include heating the cabin (the horror!), range is going to get smashed.