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Re: Capacity Loss on 2011-2012 LEAFs

Thu Oct 26, 2017 9:51 am

SageBrush wrote:
WetEV wrote:Have any DCQC chargers in your area?


No. All our charging is at 6 kW L2, usually at 5am.


Then you might have a different wintertime Ahr change than if you did a DCQC.
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Most everything around here is wet during the rainy season. And the rainy season is long.
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cyberyeh
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Re: Capacity Loss on 2011-2012 LEAFs

Tue Nov 14, 2017 1:02 pm

My warranty expired on Oct. 10th, and my 2012 SL with 39000 miles went to 8 bars on Oct. 24th! Called 800 No gas EV and Nissan said it's a class action lawsuit, and they will only replace the battery within warranty, not one day over, won't even give me a replacement with discount when I asked, which means I'm screwed!!! Any suggestions, please help.

sandeen
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Re: Capacity Loss on 2011-2012 LEAFs

Tue Nov 14, 2017 1:05 pm

cyberyeh wrote:My warranty expired on Oct. 10th, and my 2012 SL with 39000 miles went to 8 bars on Oct. 24th! Called 800 No gas EV and Nissan said it's a class action lawsuit, and they will only replace the battery within warranty, not one day over, won't even give me a replacement with discount when I asked, which means I'm screwed!!! Any suggestions, please help.


See if your dealer can help, either with nissan corporate or with a little good will pricing of their own. Others tried BBB ... you could also try referencing the good will program they had going prior to the 2018 launch and then ended - obviously the "class action" business is not 100% set in stone and they have flexibility.

Out of curiosity, what were your leafspy numbers when you lost it, if you have them?
2012 SL from TX, (mfg 8/12), used, dropped to 8 bars at 43.50 Ahr, 40,601 miles. my daily stats =/= my collected data on 4-bar losers

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Re: Capacity Loss on 2011-2012 LEAFs

Tue Nov 14, 2017 2:23 pm

cyberyeh wrote:My warranty expired on Oct. 10th, and my 2012 SL with 39000 miles went to 8 bars on Oct. 24th! Called 800 No gas EV and Nissan said it's a class action lawsuit, and they will only replace the battery within warranty, not one day over, won't even give me a replacement with discount when I asked, which means I'm screwed!!! Any suggestions, please help.


You are too close to not escalate. Are you the original owner?
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Re: Capacity Loss on 2011-2012 LEAFs

Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:03 pm

https://www.facebook.com/groups/seattle ... 620968334/ is a report of someone down 7 bars (5 remaining) at 68.4K miles on an '11.

As I posted at viewtopic.php?p=505534#p505534, I think I've seen another 7 bar loser in TX before (can't find the FB post) and I quoted someone else who found a 7 bar loser.

I found http://mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?p=489844#p489844 on another 7 bar loser.

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Reddy
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Re: Capacity Loss on 2011-2012 LEAFs

Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:11 pm

cwerdna wrote:https://www.facebook.com/groups/seattlenissanleaf/permalink/1757297620968334/ is a report of someone down 7 bars (5 remaining) at 68.4K miles on an '11.
So much for great battery stats from Seattle. I'm starting to think that my babying the battery has actually helped my 2011. However, I'm still under 50,000 mi, so perhaps that helps.
Reddy
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Cold: http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.p ... 60#p243033"

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Re: Capacity Loss on 2011-2012 LEAFs

Thu Dec 14, 2017 4:58 pm

Reddy wrote:So much for great battery stats from Seattle. I'm starting to think that my babying the battery has actually helped my 2011. However, I'm still under 50,000 mi, so perhaps that helps.
Our LEAF's VIN is about 900 before yours and we have slightly more capacity remaining with 10,000 more miles on the odometer. It beats me why that would since the climate is a bit warmer here.

Capacity degradation on our LEAF is now accelerating, with 2.6 Ah lost between 40,000 and 50,000 miles while we only lost 2.2 Ah between 30,000 and 40.000 miles. That is true even though the vehicle was driven those last 10,000 miles over a shorter period of time, so calendar losses during that last period should have been a bit lower.
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Re: Capacity Loss on 2011-2012 LEAFs

Fri Dec 15, 2017 11:12 am

RegGuheert wrote:
Reddy wrote:So much for great battery stats from Seattle. I'm starting to think that my babying the battery has actually helped my 2011. However, I'm still under 50,000 mi, so perhaps that helps.
Our LEAF's VIN is about 900 before yours and we have slightly more capacity remaining with 10,000 more miles on the odometer. It beats me why that would since the climate is a bit warmer here.

Capacity degradation on our LEAF is now accelerating, with 2.6 Ah lost between 40,000 and 50,000 miles while we only lost 2.2 Ah between 30,000 and 40.000 miles. That is true even though the vehicle was driven those last 10,000 miles over a shorter period of time, so calendar losses during that last period should have been a bit lower.
Well, we are actually in the hottest part of WA, with several weeks per year above 100F routinely. We even had a stint of 110-115F in June one year. However, that said, my battery has always been on the "low" side, even in the early days. When I did a 100 mi trip, posting my stats, I remember Tony Williams commenting on my low numbers. My delivery was delayed about 6 mo (through the summer) due to Fukushima, so it is possible that it sat longer than it should have. :cry: Also, I am a low mileage and in-town user, charging primarily with L1. I think that those things may conspire to depress the numbers. The worst part is the lack of winter regen (just when you need more range). I've added some additional mid-day and evening trips and have actually had to charge mid-day a few times this winter. It's not a big deal, but I'm now glad that I had the EVSE upgrade done. Unless Nissan comes through with a VERY LOW COST replacement battery in the 2018-2020 time frame, I will definitely dump this vehicle for something (Model 3) with a faster charger, larger battery, and new technology.
Reddy
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Cold: http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.p ... 60#p243033"

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Re: Capacity Loss on 2011-2012 LEAFs

Fri Dec 15, 2017 5:51 pm

Reddy wrote:Well, we are actually in the hottest part of WA, with several weeks per year above 100F routinely. We even had a stint of 110-115F in June one year.
O.K., that explains it! We used to get 100F around here many summers, but that's not happening any more. It's probably been five years (2012) since we've seen 100F.
Reddy wrote:However, that said, my battery has always been on the "low" side, even in the early days. When I did a 100 mi trip, posting my stats, I remember Tony Williams commenting on my low numbers.
Our battery capacity is dominated by a single cell pair (#37). This pair drops out first and the effect is much more dominant in wintertime. In summertime, we do not really see the difference. If it weren't for that cell pair, we would do quite a bit better in the wintertime.
RegGuheert
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10K miles: Apr 14, 2013, 20K miles (55.7Ah): Aug 7, 2014, 30K miles (52.0Ah): Dec 30, 2015, 40K miles (49.8Ah): Feb 8, 2017, 50K miles (47.2Ah): Dec 7, 2017.
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Re: Capacity Loss on 2011-2012 LEAFs

Sun Dec 17, 2017 4:19 am

https://www.facebook.com/groups/nissan. ... 885581945/ has dashboard pics of a '12 Leaf imported to Colombo, Sri Lanka from Japan which at 176K km shows it's down to 3 (!) capacity bars, So, it's a 9 bar (!) loser. I think this is a record for me, so far. I don't recall hearing of any that are worse than this, yet.

If https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colombo#Climate is accurate, that is a pretty unkind climate to Leaf batteries.

I assume the car spent more time in Sri Lanka than Japan.

If we ever seen a Leaf down to 0 capacity bars, it'll be interesting to hear how it behaves in terms of regen (presumably none or next to none), LBW, VLBW, power bubbles, how fast it can charge on L2 and CHAdeMO.

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