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Re: Early Capacity Losses-Was(Lost a bar...down to 11)

Fri Aug 03, 2012 11:32 am

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I noticed you're still working with polymers.

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Re: Early Capacity Losses-Was(Lost a bar...down to 11)

Fri Aug 03, 2012 11:33 am

TonyWilliams wrote:BTW, hello Nissan !!!! Thanks for monitoring me :geek:

They have definitely stepped up the scrutiny of this forum. There were even folks that labored through the entire 200 odd pages of this thread, some of them as recently as yesterday.

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drees wrote:They're not doing a very good job - otherwise they would have spotted this issue months ago and nipped it in the bud. If they keep this up they are quickly going to see an angry mob of early adopters gathering with virtual pitchforks. They are not handling this situation well at all (see my earlier rant in the marketing thread).

Agreed. I mentioned in a private conversation with a friend that at this rate, Nissan might be headed for an ugly confrontation with disenchanted owners in the not too distant future. What a train-wreck!

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Re: Early Capacity Losses-Was(Lost a bar...down to 11)

Fri Aug 03, 2012 12:33 pm

Ok, now I'm confused. if Mark Perry said the "110F in a few hours", I've got my pitchfork ready. If, however, somebody badly botched his statement, every post needs to be edited by the respective author, or moderator, to fix this.

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Re: Early Capacity Losses-Was(Lost a bar...down to 11)

Fri Aug 03, 2012 12:40 pm

TonyWilliams wrote:Ok, now I'm confused. if Mark Perry said the "110F in a few hours", I've got my pitchfork ready. If, however, somebody badly botched his statement, every post needs to be edited by the respective author, or moderator, to fix this.

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Directly from the article... I find it strange that there's no author to credit this article to, but it looks to be a mainstream rag.

"We've also been very transparent in making sure people know that battery capacity will degrade in very high heat – for instance, if the cars sit out in 110-degree heat for five hours a day."

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Re: Early Capacity Losses-Was(Lost a bar...down to 11)

Fri Aug 03, 2012 12:45 pm

azdre wrote:"We've also been very transparent in making sure people know that battery capacity will degrade in very high heat – for instance, if the cars sit out in 110-degree heat for five hours a day."

I've never heard or seen this before. In fact, Nissan has been so vague with their battery care recommendations that we had regular arguments about this very topic. Here is what Mark Perry said in response to Darryl Siry's article in the Wired:

Mark Perry wrote:We don’t need thermal management for the U.S., but we are looking at the technology for Dubai and other locations like that…. We’ve gone on the record saying that the pack has a 70 to 80 percent capacity after 10 years.
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Re: Early Capacity Losses-Was(Lost a bar...down to 11)

Fri Aug 03, 2012 12:51 pm

Don't park outside for 5 hours when it's over 110? Is that a joke? So he's telling owners in Phoenix that they can't drive their car to work for 30 days/year, since that's what we average? I was waiting for the cars to come back from Casa Grande and some kind of statement from Nissan, but if this is the garbage they are now proffering, then I'm also ready to grab my pitchfork. Unbelievable.

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Re: Early Capacity Losses-Was(Lost a bar...down to 11)

Fri Aug 03, 2012 12:56 pm

TonyWilliams wrote:Ok, now I'm confused. if Mark Perry said the "110F in a few hours", I've got my pitchfork ready. If, however, somebody badly botched his statement, every post needs to be edited by the respective author, or moderator, to fix this.

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Fair enough. I've deleted my comment and stowed my pitchfork for the time being. :twisted:
I noticed you're still working with polymers.

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Re: Early Capacity Losses-Was(Lost a bar...down to 11)

Fri Aug 03, 2012 1:14 pm

The "very high heat" comment is seriously ridiculous, if it was a quoted correctly. That would probably include many (bland climate) Silicon Valley based LEAFs; I bet parking lot asphalt can get up there numerous days.

No sane person would buy a LEAF knowing that usage restriction. I'm seeing loss (probably more than I expected), but I haven't run a full capacity test in a long time... it looks like it may be time. :shock:

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Fri Aug 03, 2012 1:29 pm

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Re: Early Capacity Losses-Was(Lost a bar...down to 11)

Fri Aug 03, 2012 1:38 pm

Not sure whether to laugh or cry at Mark Perry's memory of what he said. The Internet is going to make it difficult for him to do so much revisionist history.

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