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SteveInSeattle

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I know that Nissan intends to assemble the electric motors here in the US, but, based on the sticker on a 2013 that I saw today-- the motor and transmission are still sourced from Japan. And the percentage of US content is low, so I would suspect the battery production is not online yet, either.
 
Re: the motor, that's surprising given http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPs7FTAKTxU" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; published October 23, 2012.

Re: the batteries, that'd be surprising given http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/12/13/nissan-battery-plant-begins-operations-in-tennessee/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; from December 2012 and other stories from around that time.
 
We saw a '13 today on a lot, and it said 15% US, 80% Asia. How do they determine percentages for these sorts of things? Number of components? Weight of components? Cost of components? A silly measure...
 
ksnogas2112 said:
Is that really any different from other cars? I'm pretty sure the "all American" Fords are sourced in Mexico and other places to be only assembled in the US.
It depends. Some vehicles (including some Fords and Nissans) are assembled in Mexico and have little US/Canadian part content. See http://www.caranddriver.com/features/a-graphic-representation-of-whats-really-made-in-america-feature" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;. The PDF at http://www.caranddriver.com/content/download/251280/4133986/version/1/file/Domestic+Bliss.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; from there might be worth downloading and viewing.
 
If most of the parts are sourced from Japan with an unfavorable dollar to yen ratio, then how is Nissan able to slash the vehicle prices so much ?
 
I actually meant to ask this question a couple of weeks ago when I saw the same sticker.

I did speak to some Nissan employees who work at the Decherd plant last weekend & they said their motors were supposed to enter production phase this week. They had never seen a LEAF in the wild & had a lot of questions about how I liked & what I would change. I told them most of my requests were met on the '13 model except for a true state of charge meter & then showed them my WattsLeft (Gid) meter & explained how useless the bars were & how the % meter would drift as the battery degraded. They actually seemed interested & said they would pass it on. Sure hope they do, I'd sure like to have my biggest complaint be the goofy seatbelt clips in the back seat or something like that ;)

Philip
 
philipscoggins said:
... how the % meter would drift as the battery degraded. Philip
The SOC% is based on the usable kWh, so 100% is always 100% of usable. What do you mean by drift? Are you referring to the absolute kWh capacity?
 
Yes, from my understanding. When the battery degrades from 21kwh usable to 20kwh usable & you charge to 100% your meter will still show 100%.

In one view it will be at 100% charge, but if that 100% only takes you 65 miles instead of the 75 miles you used to get, what's the usefulness of that? I like a gid meter. It has shown me a lot about the battery's true state of charge, energy usage & what a joke the guess o meter really is. It also relieved any of my misplaced range anxiety. Now,sometimes I do push my range & then I know how many gids/mile I'm using & if I need to slow down a little to make it to my destination or find a place to charge.

Philip
 
Is there any news on whether the US drivetrain parts are making it into cars assembled in Tennessee? If someone has a copy of the parts source sticker once that occurs, please post it here.
 
SteveInSeattle said:
Is there any news on whether the US drivetrain parts are making it into cars assembled in Tennessee? If someone has a copy of the parts source sticker once that occurs, please post it here.

As reported in this (generally favorable) review of the 2013 MY here:


http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1084088_2013-nissan-leaf-driven-through-tennessee-countryside" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

After our quick drive of a 2013 Nissan Leaf before the New York Auto Show in late March, we were finally able to spend some extended time with the updated electric car outside Nashville.

Our initial impressions remain the same: The Leaf is a perfectly normal, competent compact five-door hatchback that happens to run on a battery-electric powertrain.

Its limited range of 75 miles aside--that's 15 percent higher than comparable ratings from earlier years, but the calculations are complex--the Leaf will do anything that any other compact hatchback will...

Four-fifths U.S.-made

By this point, many readers will likely know that the Leaf is now built in Tennessee, as are the lithium-ion cells in its battery pack. By value, more than four-fifths of the Leaf electric car is now made in the U.S.

...the Nissan Leaf remains by far the highest-volume battery electric car in the world. Nissan has now sold more than 60,000 globally since late 2010.

With plants in Japan, the U.S., and the U.K. cranking out Leafs, that number will likely cross 100,000 by
the end of this year.

The Nissan Leaf is, in effect, the world's default electric car.
 
edatoakrun said:
SteveInSeattle said:
Is there any news on whether the US drivetrain parts are making it into cars assembled in Tennessee? If someone has a copy of the parts source sticker once that occurs, please post it here.

As reported in this (generally favorable) review of the 2013 MY here:


http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1084088_2013-nissan-leaf-driven-through-tennessee-countryside" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

After our quick drive of a 2013 Nissan Leaf before the New York Auto Show in late March, we were finally able to spend some extended time with the updated electric car outside Nashville.

Our initial impressions remain the same: The Leaf is a perfectly normal, competent compact five-door hatchback that happens to run on a battery-electric powertrain.

Its limited range of 75 miles aside--that's 15 percent higher than comparable ratings from earlier years, but the calculations are complex--the Leaf will do anything that any other compact hatchback will...

Four-fifths U.S.-made

By this point, many readers will likely know that the Leaf is now built in Tennessee, as are the lithium-ion cells in its battery pack. By value, more than four-fifths of the Leaf electric car is now made in the U.S.

...the Nissan Leaf remains by far the highest-volume battery electric car in the world. Nissan has now sold more than 60,000 globally since late 2010.

With plants in Japan, the U.S., and the U.K. cranking out Leafs, that number will likely cross 100,000 by
the end of this year.

The Nissan Leaf is, in effect, the world's default electric car.
 
SteveInSeattle said:
Is there any news on whether the US drivetrain parts are making it into cars assembled in Tennessee? If someone has a copy of the parts source sticker once that occurs, please post it here.
FWIW. I was at a Nissan dealer this afternoon and saw the sticker on a '13 Leaf w/the clear plastic still on the seats and doors. It still had 15% for US/Canadian parts content and major source of foreign parts content of Japan 80%.

Final assembly was Smryna, of course. "Engine" and transmission were listed as Japan.

I forgot to look at the build date sticker on the driver's side door sticker. :(

I talked the salesman about it and he was the/one of the Leaf "specialists". He didn't mention if he saw any w/higher US parts content but I didn't/forgot to ask. Not sure if he pays attention to that.
 
I believe that most of the savings is from not having to pay to import the whole car, not from the percentage of US parts. Assembling a mostly Japanese car in the US still saves the manufacturer lots of $$$.
 
cwerdna said:
SteveInSeattle said:
Is there any news on whether the US drivetrain parts are making it into cars assembled in Tennessee? If someone has a copy of the parts source sticker once that occurs, please post it here.
FWIW. I was at a Nissan dealer this afternoon and saw the sticker on a '13 Leaf w/the clear plastic still on the seats and doors. It still had 15% for US/Canadian parts content and major source of foreign parts content of Japan 80%.

Final assembly was Smryna, of course. "Engine" and transmission were listed as Japan.
Nissan answered re: the above, thanks to a persistent reporter(s). See http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1087122_u-s--made-2013-nissan-leaf-has-only-15-percent-local-content-heres-why" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.

Interesting...
 
To be honest with you, I'm relieved to have a Japanese drivetrain. US auto plants tend to be buggy when they start producing a new model - the rule has generally been "Don't buy the first year of a new model." Sometimes more than one year is needed to get them up to snuff. That applies to other countries as well, but not generally to Japan.
 
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