Durandal said:
edatoakrun said:
The essential difference between a company like Tesla, which specializes in selling bullshit, and a company like Nissan, which primarily sells vehicles, is illustrated by the fact that TSLA claims the model 3 is in production, and Nissan, which has undoubtedly put far more Gen two LEAFs on the road than Tesla has model 3s, does not.
It also now appears likely that you will be able to look at, test drive, and have delivered, a gen 2 LEAF available in a complete range of trims for ~$30k to $35k , long before you will be able to experience any of those with a Tesla model 3, priced anywhere below $50,000.
I test drove a Model X, and I will say if it's bullshit, that was some mighty fine bullshit I was driving!
Might the price have been a factor in your passing on an X?
Every Tesla model sold to date has been
bullshit, insofar as its average sale price
in fact increased to near twice the price originally announced and promoted by TSLA.
Why would anyone expect the model 3 claimed/actual prices to be any different?
"Durandal"
...There are no new Nissan Leafs for sale in my area. I'd wager lunch at David's Burgers nearby the SuperCharger in my city (Little Rock) that I will have my Model 3 that I will purchase for $36,000 (I'm optioning for blue instead of the free black color, so that's an extra $1,000) in my driveway before any of my local Nissan dealerships have any Gen 2 Leafs in stock...
Be sure to report back when you have the opportunity to look at and test drive a model 3.
Or do you plan to take delivery, without doing either first?
Below, AFAIK, are the latest claims by TSLA RE the model 3 delivery timeline, actual deliveries to non-employees to start in November, but to
California buyers only...as previously reported.
...If you believe their timeline it sort of looks like:
Aug-Sep: Employee LR, very small amounts of cars
Oct: Start existing Owner LR - scaling to 1500 cars/wk
Nov: Owner and First day non-owner LR, Employee SR - scaling to 4000 cars/wk
Dec: More LR orders, start Owner SR - scaling to 5000 cars/wk
Jan: Unknown mix of SR and LR to everybody at 5000 cars/wk...
https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/queue-position-effect-of-day-1-m3-orders-delayed-due-to-later-availability-of-35k-model.96312/
When do you expect delivery of your 3?
I'm sure TSLA will eventually deliver at least a few 3's at the ~$36,000 price, and maybe you'll get one.
But I also expect them to be about as rare as "$50,000" model Ss were, and for the same reason.
Since TSLA will likely lose quite a bit of money selling 3's at ~$36k, it will make those versions as unattractive as possible, to limit sales of these
loss-leaders.
internalaudit said:
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...It seems the battery is very reliable and is not subject to too much degradation but from sample (biased since I searched for them) readings on TMC, I wouldn't say it's above average in reliability...
Tesla is the only major BEV manufacture that does not use fire-resistant battery designs, instead relying on other means, including "armoring" the packs to
mostly prevent fires resulting from collisions.
Tesla S's and X's have nevertheless suffered catastrophic battery pack fires, due both to collisions, and internal pack failures.
Regarding collision fires in particular, it remains to be seen if the
under-two-ton model 3's pack will be as well-armored, and have as high a
pack survivability rate as those in the much larger and heavier S an X models.