powersurge
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And what group 20 years ago are you referring to?
powersurge said:... The only logical transaction is for the Leaf driver to BUY the battery, and then FINANCE the cost of the battery.
DaveinOlyWA said:Lets go back about 20 years. There is no way a company would spend Billions to warehouse products (sometimes for years) just to repackage them and ship them all over the World knowing the profits on each package would be a few cents each...
WetEV said:DaveinOlyWA said:Lets go back about 20 years. There is no way a company would spend Billions to warehouse products (sometimes for years) just to repackage them and ship them all over the World knowing the profits on each package would be a few cents each...
Sears catalog. Sears was badly mismanaged, or Amazon would be a footnote in history.
WetEV said:DaveinOlyWA said:Sears catalog. Sears was badly mismanaged, or Amazon would be a footnote in history.
Sears was a soundly run company until the 1980's when the management screwed around with the business model trying to bring it upscale and bought KMart for the low end of the market. They never recovered from that. Sears Roebuck was the original Mail order company that sold anything and everything (including kits for building an entire house). It was the Amazon of its day.bowthom said:WetEV said:DaveinOlyWA said:Sears catalog. Sears was badly mismanaged, or Amazon would be a footnote in history.
Funny, a business that been around for 125 years is badly mismanaged.
bowthom said:WetEV said:DaveinOlyWA said:Sears catalog. Sears was badly mismanaged, or Amazon would be a footnote in history.
Funny, a business that been around for 125 years is badly mismanaged.
Warrants a new thread.evordie said:Anyone seen this?
evordie said:Well, according to their replies (posted yesterday), it is not a temporary push-up: the process "will give you your typical 12 bars of life".
Man, this would help many people, if price is fine.
IssacZachary said:powersurge said:... The only logical transaction is for the Leaf driver to BUY the battery, and then FINANCE the cost of the battery.
Does anyone know if there's a lender that would finance a battery?
I would presume the battery would need to come with a warranty for at least the same amount of years as the loan, and the car would have to have full coverage insurance, and that the lender would have to be placed as a leinholder on the title.
Sulfate crystals are what you get with lead (sulfuric) acid batteries. That said, I just recovered 1% of my SoH on my 2012 Leaf since I've been trickle charging daily at work in addition to my normal L2 charging at home. I think it's giving it additional time to balance the pack.evordie said:Still trying to understand what they do.
From the same guys and web, under 'Battery reconditioning":
"Our battery reconditioning process is not invasive, does not use chemicals and is completely electronic. We use a frequency pulse to break down sulfate crystals that build up along the plates over time. Our process transforms these crystals back to active material allowing electrons to flow freely through the plates again. A reconditioned battery can last for more than two years and in many cases the process can be repeated".
Is this only valid for lead acid batteries?
Durandal said:That said, I just recovered 1% of my SoH on my 2012 Leaf since I've been trickle charging daily at work in addition to my normal L2 charging at home. I think it's giving it additional time to balance the pack.
I thought Nissan offered a finance option on the battery, did they do away with that too?IssacZachary said:powersurge said:... The only logical transaction is for the Leaf driver to BUY the battery, and then FINANCE the cost of the battery.
Does anyone know if there's a lender that would finance a battery?
I would presume the battery would need to come with a warranty for at least the same amount of years as the loan, and the car would have to have full coverage insurance, and that the lender would have to be placed as a leinholder on the title.
I guess I didn't even think about credit cards. That would work for many people. I'm the kind of guy that lives in the mountains far away from civilization and has no clue as to how the world works. I'm still raising pigs and cattle and farming potatoes.powersurge said:...Put it on your credit card. If anyone needs major car repairs, they put it on the credit card and pay it off somehow. You could negotiate several payments over several months. Why does that sound so strange?...
If you need to put it on a credit card and pay it off, you would be better off buying a new car. At 14% interest ( common rate for a credit card) and paying it off over 60 months would cost almost $200/mo. And you end up with a junker. Much better off to put that money toward a new car with a bigger, better battery and upgraded electronics. $200/month would be a third of the car payment or maybe half of the lease. If Nissan upgraded the battery then maybe but $12000 in payments to put a Nissan battery into an old Leaf just doesn't make sense.Lothsahn said:Kinda refreshing to see someone like Zachary. My wife and I cut up our credit cards 8 years ago and are debt free now (except the house). Changed our life.
If I need a new battery, I'll probably budget for it and pay cash... Or just get a new Leaf. But yeah, I guess credit cards is how most will do it. But geesh, 8-30% interest on $8k...
Sadly $200 per month is about all I can afford. So I got a 60 month car payment on a used ICE car for $10,000 instead of getting another battery. I'm paying less than $200 per month with about a 4.5% interest rate.johnlocke said:If you need to put it on a credit card and pay it off, you would be better off buying a new car. At 14% interest ( common rate for a credit card) and paying it off over 60 months would cost almost $200/mo. And you end up with a junker. Much better off to put that money toward a new car with a bigger, better battery and upgraded electronics.
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