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Is that true, just like that all emissions regulations are gone?
LTLFTcomposite said:Is that true, just like that all emissions regulations are gone?
DarthPuppy said:With Trump's rolling back the federal emission regulations, are all those VW diesels that VW has been buying back now perfectly legal to own and drive here in the U.S.? Of course, not in California, but elsewhere in the U.S., these might no longer be an issue from a legal point. From an environmental point, they are still a disaster. But VW was likely to ship them to overseas markets with less stringent rules, so the solution was really to relocate the polluter to another area, which isn't really a solution.
http://www.autoblog.com/2017/03/30/vw-gets-epa-approval-to-sell-backlog-of-fixed-2015-diesels/VW gets EPA approval to sell backlog of fixed 2015 diesels
About 12,000 are currently in dealer inventory.
Volkswagen AG said the US Environmental Protection Agency has approved its request to sell up to 67,000 diesel vehicles from the 2015 model year, including about 12,000 currently in dealer inventory with approved emissions modifications.
The vehicles in inventory were held when the company issued a stop sale in September 2015. . . .
The EPA approved a fix for specific Volkswagen diesel models in January. They include the 2015 Beetle, Golf, Golf SportWagen, Jetta, Passat, and Audi A3 equipped with the 2.0-liter TDI engine. The approved modifications include a software update, with plans for a particulate filter, additional catalysts, and another software update to come when those parts become available next year. . . .
The article goes on to say:Autoweek said:In the wake of the ongoing Volkswagen diesel scandal, VW is exploring options outside diesel that could help it lower emissions and improve fleet fuel economy. One potential avenue is cars that run on natural gas, and VW has been talking with both Exxon Mobil and Gazprom in hopes they back the idea.
Like H2, natural gas is not an option around here due to the lack of filling stations.Autoweek said:VW plans to roll out four electric vehicles in the next few years, as the automaker has made progress in reducing EV production costs. However, both compressed natural gas (CNG) and electric propulsion are needed to lower its fleet-wide carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions while distancing the automaker from its diesel scandal.
Durandal said:DarthPuppy said:With Trump's rolling back the federal emission regulations, are all those VW diesels that VW has been buying back now perfectly legal to own and drive here in the U.S.? Of course, not in California, but elsewhere in the U.S., these might no longer be an issue from a legal point. From an environmental point, they are still a disaster. But VW was likely to ship them to overseas markets with less stringent rules, so the solution was really to relocate the polluter to another area, which isn't really a solution.
I'd be perfectly happy if all diesel engines were removed from the United States and then transported to foreign countries, as it would make the air in the U.S. cleaner, even if it didn't improve the situation for the world as a whole. My concerns are prioritized based on:
1. The air my family and I breathe.
2. The air that those in my community breathe.
3. The air that those in my state breathe.
4. The air that those in my country breathe.
5. The air that those in the rest of the world breathe.
If I can make #1-4 better by making #5 worse, I'll do it. However, if I can make #1-5 better all at once, I'll do that instead. Yes, I want to help everyone, but I want to help those around me more.
Thankfully Elon Musk and Tesla are working on that one!tattoogunman said:And in so doing, we would have to completely change our entire product shipment infrastructure since most of it is hauled around by diesel trucks Would be nice though.
Is there any proof that just because it's a diesel it automatically produces more emissions than gasoline? Diesels used to be hailed for producing less emissions naturally than gasoline engines do. The problem is that it's easier to clean dirty exhaust than cleaner exhaust. For an example, the "2 stroke" Mazda RX-7 got steller emissions out of the tail pipe, but the exhaust before the catalytic converter was about equivalent to a mobile evaporating oil spill.Durandal said:I'd be perfectly happy if all diesel engines were removed from the United States and then transported to foreign countries, as it would make the air in the U.S. cleaner, even if it didn't improve the situation for the world as a whole. My concerns are prioritized based on:
1. The air my family and I breathe.
2. The air that those in my community breathe.
3. The air that those in my state breathe.
4. The air that those in my country breathe.
5. The air that those in the rest of the world breathe.
If I can make #1-4 better by making #5 worse, I'll do it. However, if I can make #1-5 better all at once, I'll do that instead. Yes, I want to help everyone, but I want to help those around me more.
Is there any proof that just because it's a diesel it automatically produces more emissions than gasoline? Diesels used to be hailed for producing less emissions naturally than gasoline engines do.
LeftieBiker said:That hailing was mostly done by diesel advocates, I think. The problem is more particulates in the exhaust, and the fact that it's hard to just make lots of particulate matter vanish into thin air, so to speak. The "burnoff" approach that VW used to use was maybe the best way, although urea injection also works. You just have to keep refilling a urea tank. And no, urine doesn't work just as well. ;-)
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-volkswagen-emissions-idUSKBN1871WOU.S. judge approves Volkswagen 3.0 liter, Bosch diesel settlements
A federal judge on Thursday granted final approval on an agreement for Volkswagen AG (VOWG_p.DE) to pay at least $1.22 billion to fix or buy back 80,000 3.0-liter vehicles in the United States linked to the German automaker's diesel emissions cheating scandal.
At a court hearing in San Francisco, U.S. District Judge Charles Breyer also said he was granting final approval to German auto supplier Robert Bosch GmbH's separate settlement, under which it will pay $327.5 million to U.S. VW diesel owners for its role in developing the engines.
Breyer said he was overruling all objections and called the settlements, in which Bosch admitted to no wrongdoing, "fair, reasonable and adequate. . . ."
Owners of 3.0 liter vehicles who opt for fixes will get compensation of between $7,000 and $16,000 from Volkswagen if emissions remedies are approved in a timely fashion.
Volkswagen, the best-selling automaker worldwide in 2016, could be forced to pay up to $4.04 billion if regulators do not approve fixes for all 3.0 liter vehicles. . . .
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1110423_extent-of-volkswagen-diesel-deceit-detailed-in-new-bookExtent of Volkswagen diesel deceit detailed in new book
A new book, titled Faster, Higher, Farther: The Volkswagen Scandal, aims to shed light on the events leading up to the company's admission in September 2015.
Now The New York Times has published a passage adapted from the book, which gives a brief look at what readers can expect from author Jack Ewing.
What's most remarkable is the intricacy of the operation to cover up the polluting diesel vehicles. . . .
The book will go on sale May 23, 2017, offering much more detail into the entire Volkswagen diesel emission cheating scandal.
IssacZachary said:LeftieBiker said:I get upwards of 55mpg going 75mph in my 1985 VW diesel, sometimes over 60mpg if I'm careful with the pedal. I kind of think something must be wrong with technology in the sense that very few cars can attain that kind of fuel mileage today.
tattoogunman said:IssacZachary said:LeftieBiker said:I get upwards of 55mpg going 75mph in my 1985 VW diesel, sometimes over 60mpg if I'm careful with the pedal. I kind of think something must be wrong with technology in the sense that very few cars can attain that kind of fuel mileage today.
And that is the crux of the issue why people liked the diesels. I had a 2000 TDI Jetta and I easily got anywhere from 625 to 650 miles out of a tank and that was in Utah going up and down mountains, etc. Nobody bought/buys those cars because they are supposedly "clean", they bought them because they got phenomenal gas mileage compared to their unleaded counterparts.
I'll be brutally honest - as much as I have become interested in EVs and am considering one for my next car, I simply cannot afford them right now (new prices that is). I was actually kind of hoping a ton of used TDI VW cars would start showing up on lots at cheap prices after the buy backs so that maybe I could get back into one again. However, it sounds like most are going to be scrapped or shipped out of the country (if what I have heard is correct).
SageBrush said:A used Prius is a better value than a used Diesel because they are way more reliable and similar or better fuel economy and price. The trade-off is less torque. The notion that Diesels got stellar fuel economy based on range per tank is a crock. That was true because the car has a big tank.
I've always driven my diesel full throttle. It hasn't failed me yet, although I wish it would so I could have a reason to buy a newer car, like a Prius, a Mitsubishi Mirage or a Ford Fiesta Ecoboost. Maybe I should stop using synthetic oil and plugging in the block heater.LeftieBiker said:I was also taught in automotive classes that starting an engine produces the most wear, but hybrids have two things working to minimize that: synthetic oil and a hot engine. Most wear actually occurs when you start a cold engine, not when you restart a hot one. As long as the oil film hasn't drained off the contact surfaces, the wear is negligible.
The diesel in your '85 VW was also used in Volvos of the era. It had to work a lot harder in the heavier cars, and suffered failures more often. The degree to which an engine is stressed in daily use goes a long way toward determining its longevity.
I thought the Volvos had 6 cylinder diesels, not the little 1.6L 4 cylinders.
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