Herm
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TRONZ said:... and nicotine was not addictive or harmful huh?
Nicotine keeps you skinny and free of Alzheimers, cigarette tar is what kills you, supposedly. People worry too much.
TRONZ said:... and nicotine was not addictive or harmful huh?
Gloves off. Permission to speak freely all around.Yodrak said:No, it is not clear. Two different people can take the same basic information and come to two different conclusions as to what should, or should not, be done on the basis of that information.
AndyH said:Really? Is it not clear that when one attacks Mr. Gore's positions on the environment, they are also attacking the science on which those positions are based?
AndyH said:Gloves off. Permission to speak freely all around.Yodrak said:No, it is not clear. Two different people can take the same basic information and come to two different conclusions as to what should, or should not, be done on the basis of that information.
AndyH said:Really? Is it not clear that when one attacks Mr. Gore's positions on the environment, they are also attacking the science on which those positions are based?
What in the world are you talking about, and on what world are you living? How can you see what is happening on this planet and not think that it's a problem?
Welcome to the thread. Now that you've used three of the denier tactics to stir the pot, maybe you'd care to state your position and then put some facts on the table to support it?mywaracfirfoyff said:AndyH and the thousands like him who hold similar views are living proof that it's much easier to spread confusion, uncertainty, and doubt then it is to educate.
A few huge, entrenched businesses have so much to lose once we come to our collective senses, that paying a few hundred million to keep people like AndyH confused is small change.
Sadly Exxon Mobil has a substantial resource advantage over Al Gore, so we'll likely need to move humanity forward with the AndyHs of the world kicking and screaming instead of leading the way.
AndyH said:Welcome to the thread. Now that you've used three of the denier tactics to stir the pot, maybe you'd care to state your position and then put some facts on the table to support it?mywaracfirfoyff said:AndyH and the thousands like him who hold similar views are living proof that it's much easier to spread confusion, uncertainty, and doubt then it is to educate.
A few huge, entrenched businesses have so much to lose once we come to our collective senses, that paying a few hundred million to keep people like AndyH confused is small change.
Sadly Exxon Mobil has a substantial resource advantage over Al Gore, so we'll likely need to move humanity forward with the AndyHs of the world kicking and screaming instead of leading the way.
No worries - it catches all of us.mywaracfirfoyff said:Edit: Oops, I was confused by the quoting. My tirade was supposed to be directed at Yodrak.
Sorry AndyH.
Herm said:TRONZ said:... and nicotine was not addictive or harmful huh?
Nicotine keeps you skinny and free of Alzheimers, cigarette tar is what kills you, supposedly. People worry too much.
AndyH said:Herm said:TRONZ said:... and nicotine was not addictive or harmful huh?
Nicotine keeps you skinny and free of Alzheimers, cigarette tar is what kills you, supposedly. People worry too much.
LD50 is the dose administered that killed 50% of the rats.
I'm not sure most people will accept death as a viable option, but I'll certainly agree that eventually everyone will be skinny and free from Alzheimers.
No, buddy - it's not worry. I don't worry about losing rounds of Russian roulette, either, as I choose not to play. :lol:
Sorry. Bad airman - bad airman! Go to your room! :lol:TRONZ said:Now now Andy... don't go around spreading data you trouble maker.
AndyH said:Sorry. Bad airman - bad airman! Go to your room! :lol:TRONZ said:Now now Andy... don't go around spreading data you trouble maker.
AndyH said:LD50 is the dose administered that killed 50% of the rats.
Not at all! But I did wonder of some of the 'survivor' rats ended up at the Heritage Foundation... :lol:TRONZ said:AndyH said:LD50 is the dose administered that killed 50% of the rats.
BTW, you weren't suggesting that a 2.0 LD50 dose of Nicotine could kill Herm, Train or Yodrak, were you???
Herm said:No need to kill me
AndyH said:What in the world are you talking about, and on what world are you living? How can you see what is happening on this planet and not think that it's a problem?
Yodrak said:I never said what's happening is not a problem. Don't be putting words in my mouth.
I said that different people can reasonably see the problem differently based on the same facts. They can propose different solutions, and some proposals are more extreme than others. Some are extreme in one direction, such as Al Gore, some are extreme in the other direction - the deniers. The extremes influence where the middle will be found.
AndyH said:What in the world are you talking about, and on what world are you living? How can you see what is happening on this planet and not think that it's a problem?
Not putting a single word in your mouth! I asked the question because I'm trying to figure out how you see the problem. I want to understand.Yodrak said:I never said what's happening is not a problem. Don't be putting words in my mouth.
I said that different people can reasonably see the problem differently based on the same facts. They can propose different solutions, and some proposals are more extreme than others. Some are extreme in one direction, such as Al Gore, some are extreme in the other direction - the deniers. The extremes influence where the middle will be found.
AndyH said:What in the world are you talking about, and on what world are you living? How can you see what is happening on this planet and not think that it's a problem?
AndyH said:So - again - where are you on your self-imposed continuum?
AndyH said:I find it interesting that you appear to have defined the end points as 'Al Gore' and the 'deniers.' From what I've found so far, scientific consensus is in Al Gore's camp (well, actually it's the reverse), while the deniers, the Heritage Foundation, and some industry and Republican's positions are out in la-la land trying to move the 'center' off to the right (sound familiar?). Science defines the 'center of mass' - not the denier crowd. And artificial debate is ...artificial...
Cool - I can respect that. For the record: "No" is a perfectly valid answer.Yodrak said:... Beyond that, let me think some more about how I might answer so as not to spark even more intense debate over what the solutions to the problem might be.
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