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Most people thought Tesla would never deliver the model s. I think they have strong long term prospects. They are shifting the paradigm on the practicality of electric cars. Go tesla.
Ok, although I haven't carefully examined their financials or SEC filings, take a look at http://finance.yahoo.com/q/is?s=TSLA" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; and http://finance.yahoo.com/q/is?s=TSLA+Income+Statement&annual" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.EVDrive said:Most people thought Tesla would never deliver the model s. I think they have strong long term prospects. They are shifting the paradigm on the practicality of electric cars. Go tesla.
TonyWilliams said:cwerdna said:For the very rich, they'd be upset about the parent company of their $50K - $100K car going under, but could take it. What about those of us who don't find that so palatable and might have issues w/service and parts later?
If they fail, and nobody wants to buy the failed company for pennies on the dollar (seems unlikely, with the first class way they've done stuff so far), I am confident with all the passion behind this car that they will not be completely abandoned.
The batteries are easy. Doors, fenders, etc might be harder to source!
GRA said:Comparison test of the FitEV and RAV4EV here:
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/alternative/1211_2013_honda_fit_2012_toyota_rav4_ev_comparison/?rec=1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
mwalsh said:GRA said:Comparison test of the FitEV and RAV4EV here:
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/alternative/1211_2013_honda_fit_2012_toyota_rav4_ev_comparison/?rec=1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Don't really know how you can compare the two...they are so totally different. But given the choice between the RAV4EV, the Fit EV, and the LEAF. I think I'd be inclined towards a two-way tie between the Toyota and the Nissan - the Fit just felt that little bit less sophisticated, like you would expect of what is essentially an econobox. Of course, the miniscule amount of seat time I've had in both the Toyota and the Honda is not really conducive to a lasting impression, so I do hope the opportunity to drive both more presents itself.
mwalsh said:GRA said:Comparison test of the FitEV and RAV4EV here:
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/alternative/1211_2013_honda_fit_2012_toyota_rav4_ev_comparison/?rec=1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Don't really know how you can compare the two...they are so totally different. But given the choice between the RAV4EV, the Fit EV, and the LEAF. I think I'd be inclined towards a two-way tie between the Toyota and the Nissan - the Fit just felt that little bit less sophisticated, like you would expect of what is essentially an econobox. Of course, the miniscule amount of seat time I've had in both the Toyota and the Honda is not really conducive to a lasting impression, so I do hope the opportunity to drive both more presents itself.
DaveinOlyWA said:i generally find that modified versions of existing platforms have too many compromises. the RAV 4 EV might be the only exception but i also think its modification contributes to a higher than acceptable sticker price.
Herm said:DaveinOlyWA said:i generally find that modified versions of existing platforms have too many compromises. the RAV 4 EV might be the only exception but i also think its modification contributes to a higher than acceptable sticker price.
The RAV4 seems to be the only exception, probably due to the available room for parts. Sticker price is due to short production runs, you are paying for a custom car. ALL EVs suffer from this, including the Volt.
It is unfortunate that Toyota chose to dial back the regen, making the new RAV4 EV more like the Prius in that respect. (The prototype RAV4 EV that I drove almost a year ago had excellent regen.)tbleakne said:There were no hills to give the regeneration a real test, but I watched it with the car in "B" mode (higher regeneration). Like my first test drive, I saw only modest regeneration without my foot on the brake. Hopefully more cuts in on downgrades. With the brake applied, I did see modest regeneration, but it felt like the friction brakes were being applied in parallel at even light braking levels.
It does seem that the 2013 LEAF comes out ahead by that measure. But you start out with so much more range in the RAV4!tbleakne said:Since the RAV4 EV has no QC port, miles per hour of L2 charge is especially important to me for this vehicle. Although its aerodynamic drag coefficient is about the same as the LEAF's, its larger frontal area will most likely give it a lower score on L2 mileage than the 2013 LEAF on common 32A L2.
tbleakne said:Thanks to Sparky bringing a Toyota RAV4 EV demo car to the Oct 13 Socal meet at Cerritos, I was able to test-drive the RAV4 EV a second time. Boomer23 also rode along.
I did a very crude coasting test from 35 mph to stop in neutral. I didn't have a LEAF for comparison, but the RAV4 seemed to have decent but not great coasting efficiency.
There were no hills to give the regeneration a real test, but I watched it with the car in "B" mode (higher regeneration). Like my first test drive, I saw only modest regeneration without my foot on the brake. Hopefully more cuts in on downgrades. With the brake applied, I did see modest regeneration, but it felt like the friction brakes were being applied in parallel at even light braking levels. The regeneration display I was following had no kW markings. Perhaps, like the LEAF, the center display can show more, but I am not optimistic.
Since the RAV4 EV has no QC port, miles per hour of L2 charge is especially important to me for this vehicle. Although its aerodynamic drag coefficient is about the same as the LEAF's, its larger frontal area will most likely give it a lower score on L2 mileage than the 2013 LEAF on common 32A L2.
abasile said:If anyone has an opportunity to take a new RAV4 EV for an extended test drive, please consider doing some mountain roads.
This would be great. I guess you are not likely to do this RAV4 EV test drive before we see you in SoCal this Saturday?JeremyW said:abasile said:If anyone has an opportunity to take a new RAV4 EV for an extended test drive, please consider doing some mountain roads.
There's a dealer in my area that rents them (one?) for ~$130 for a weekend. Will try to schedual a rental probably in two weeks. I've got a good hill nearby I can test out the regen. Even in "B" on flat ground, there seemed to be more "pull back" from the regen than a Leaf in Eco.
Of course my big test is to see how fast I can go up the hill, rather than regen down it... :mrgreen:
I'm renting it this weekend. Cannot wait!tbleakne said:This would be great. I guess you are not likely to do this RAV4 EV test drive before we see you in SoCal this Saturday?
Great to hear. What are they charging you to rent the RAV4 EV? I assume they are renting you their demo unit and they have at least one other RAV4 EV on the lot to show any customers who show up while you have the demo.JeremyW said:I'm renting it this weekend. Cannot wait!tbleakne said:This would be great. I guess you are not likely to do this RAV4 EV test drive before we see you in SoCal this Saturday?
evnow said:Yes, some do confuse between hybrids & electrics. Typical conversation runs likeHerm said:Most people will think Prius when you mention electric..
me : I got an electric car
J6P : You mean like a hybrid
me : No. 100% electric.
J6P : Wow. How much was it etc etc
What comes first, chicken or the egg ?the answer to EVDRIVERs questions is: When they are profitable.
Tesla batteries would cost about $20 K. The new format ones they will use in production may be a little costlier. My guess is they will use a smaller battery and settle for a smaller range, if they want to bring down the cost.More I bet.. how much do you think the battery costs?
What would you buy if they cost the same - Rav4 EV or Model S :lol: :lol:
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