DanCar
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Fiat advertises their electric car even though none are available. In my opinion this lowers their status rather than raises.
Are price and EPA range known?
Are price and EPA range known?
DanCar said:Fiat advertises their electric car even though none are available. In my opinion this lowers their status rather than raises.
Are price and EPA range known?
DanCar said:Fiat advertises their electric car even though none are available. In my opinion this lowers their status rather than raises.
Are price and EPA range known?
Assuming you're asking about the Soul EV, price hasn't been announced yet, but range is apparently 92 miles EPA, about what was expected from the 3kWh bigger battery than the LEAF. The Soul EV is probably going to be the first sub-$40k (I'm guessing it will be closer to $35k) BEV to break the 90 mile EPA barrier.DanCar said:Fiat advertises their electric car even though none are available. In my opinion this lowers their status rather than raises.
Are price and EPA range known?
GRA said:Assuming you're asking about the Soul EV, price hasn't been announced yet, but range is apparently 92 miles EPA, about what was expected from the 3kWh bigger battery than the LEAF. The Soul EV is probably going to be the first sub-$40k (I'm guessing it will be closer to $35k) BEV to break the 90 mile EPA barrier.DanCar said:Fiat advertises their electric car even though none are available. In my opinion this lowers their status rather than raises.
Are price and EPA range known?
All the LEAF's three years of 'field testing' have done is prove that Nissan's thermal management strategy is very poor and has resulted in capacity loss across the board. That hurts the case for the LEAF, it doesn't help it. To use the same logic, why would a buyer trade-off the knowledge of Chevy's three years of modern plug-in 'field testing' for a LEAF that costs more than a Spark with active battery cooling and gets only 2 more EPA miles?lorenfb said:Whether it's the Leaf at 84 EPA or the Soul at 92, they're basically the same range vehicles from a buyers perspective.
And then why would a buyer trade-off the knowledge of the Leaf's three years of 'field testing' for an unknown BEV that
costs more and just has an EPA of just eight more miles?
Then there's the Soul's battery heater and driver's side-only heating options, both of which should significantly boost the car's real world range in colder climates compared to the LEAF. In addition, while +- 2 or 3 miles may be 'basically the same range', +8 miles provides a very useful real world range advantage for some. I expect the Soul will be able to manage 100 miles on a charge with a lot less special behavior than a LEAF.Devin said:All the LEAF's three years of 'field testing' have done is prove that Nissan's thermal management strategy is very poor and has resulted in capacity loss across the board. That hurts the case for the LEAF, it doesn't help it. To use the same logic, why would a buyer trade-off the knowledge of Chevy's three years of modern plug-in 'field testing' for a LEAF that costs more than a Spark with active battery cooling and gets only 2 more EPA miles?lorenfb said:Whether it's the Leaf at 84 EPA or the Soul at 92, they're basically the same range vehicles from a buyers perspective.
And then why would a buyer trade-off the knowledge of the Leaf's three years of 'field testing' for an unknown BEV that
costs more and just has an EPA of just eight more miles?
Most people just don't care - since they lease. Nissan's battery problems just reinforced the case for leasing.Devin said:All the LEAF's three years of 'field testing' have done is prove that Nissan's thermal management strategy is very poor and has resulted in capacity loss across the board.
Fit EV has no TMS, and at 27k, no degradation. Toshiba SCiB battery site now predicts 90% capacity after 10,000 cycles. Batteries look to outlast the car.JeremyW said:Yeah but people don't want to perpetually lease forever. Even within my lease I have very noticeable degradation in a little over two years and 29k miles. I'm 21% down.
I think Nissan's decision to omit TMS was a very bad idea. Most who disagree are in the PNW. Hmm. Wonder why... :roll:
Staying on topic... the Kia Soul EV has a battery fan that draws in cabin air to cool the battery. If you really want to cool the battery you can turn on the climate control remotely and set it to the lowest temperature while charging... :twisted:
Indeed, that's my point. "Field testing" for reliability only really matters for buyers in the long term. How many people buy the 10 year extended warranty for a leased car they know they won't have in >3 years?evnow said:Most people just don't care - since they lease. Nissan's battery problems just reinforced the case for leasing.Devin said:All the LEAF's three years of 'field testing' have done is prove that Nissan's thermal management strategy is very poor and has resulted in capacity loss across the board.
I agree completely. I should have said, using the current chemistry Nissan should have used TMS. We'll know how well the lizard holds up in about two summers.KeiJidosha said:It’s not the TMS omission, it’s the chemistry
Devin said:All the LEAF's three years of 'field testing' have done is prove that Nissan's thermal management strategy is very poor and has resulted in capacity loss across the board. That hurts the case for the LEAF, it doesn't help it. To use the same logic, why would a buyer trade-off the knowledge of Chevy's three years of modern plug-in 'field testing' for a LEAF that costs more than a Spark with active battery cooling and gets only 2 more EPA miles?lorenfb said:Whether it's the Leaf at 84 EPA or the Soul at 92, they're basically the same range vehicles from a buyers perspective.
And then why would a buyer trade-off the knowledge of the Leaf's three years of 'field testing' for an unknown BEV that
costs more and just has an EPA of just eight more miles?
Not having TMS is the future. Nissan is well positioned to get there earlier than everyone else.Devin said:Indeed, that's my point. "Field testing" for reliability only really matters for buyers in the long term. How many people buy the 10 year extended warranty for a leased car they know they won't have in >3 years?
gsleaf said:Maybe I'm too hopeful, but this is their first year of sales. Nissan didn't sell nationwide their first year either. The Soul EV is done WAY better than any of the other compliance cards (quick charger, no battery in the trunk, nationwide advertising). Time will tell if they are serious about the Soul EV in volume, but it looks like they have things lined up well for their first year.
True - but Nissan didn't rollout only in ZEV states to start with. Infact 3 of the 5 states were not ZEV.gsleaf said:Maybe I'm too hopeful, but this is their first year of sales. Nissan didn't sell nationwide their first year either.
evnow said:Soul is rolling out 100% in ZEV states, right ?
Called two different Kia dealers in the PDX area last Friday. Both said that the Soul EV would initially be sold only in California and wouldn't be in Oregon for another 6 months.gsleaf said:...
Man I'll be bummed if that's the release. I was really hoping to see it in Oregon.
padamson1 said:Called two different Kia dealers in the PDX area last Friday. Both said that the Soul EV would initially be sold only in California and wouldn't be in Oregon for another 6 months.gsleaf said:...
Man I'll be bummed if that's the release. I was really hoping to see it in Oregon.
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