LTLFTcomposite
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Has Kia said anything about pricing or availability or replacement packs? Or are they just as bad as Nissan in this regard?
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TonyWilliams
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LTLFTcomposite said:
No car company is going to announce the prices of the expensive parts (motors, transmissions, etc) of their car with its launch. It would just be warranteed.
LTLFTcomposite
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Saving souls in a Soul in Seoul
http://www.newsday.com/classifieds/cars/kia-soul-gets-a-blessing-from-pope-francis-during-korean-visit-1.9057953" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Maybe next time it will be the EV version.
http://www.newsday.com/classifieds/cars/kia-soul-gets-a-blessing-from-pope-francis-during-korean-visit-1.9057953" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Maybe next time it will be the EV version.
GregH
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Saw a blue one with carpool stickers and CA plates in Tustin the other day.. Today saw a white one with MI plates and carpool stickers at the DCQC in SJC. Asked the driver about it.. No idea when it would be on sale but said it was a great car.. Of course.
GRA
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You mean that you're not taking the word of an employee as gospel truth? I'm shocked, shocked!GregH said:
evnow
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From about a month ago ...
http://insideevs.com/kia-soul-ev-coming-us-fall-snazzy-new-color-choice/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
So, even if we think 4k souls are headed to US - that still puts it somewhere in the 10% of Leaf mark. I think it is safe to assume, we'll see Soul's sales be similar to that of i3, little more than FFE. If only 2.5k are headed to US, Soul sales will be like FFE's.
http://insideevs.com/kia-soul-ev-coming-us-fall-snazzy-new-color-choice/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
So, even if we think 4k souls are headed to US - that still puts it somewhere in the 10% of Leaf mark. I think it is safe to assume, we'll see Soul's sales be similar to that of i3, little more than FFE. If only 2.5k are headed to US, Soul sales will be like FFE's.
GRA
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We'll have to see if they're willing (and need) to scale up if demand exists. I know if I lived in a cold climate I'd definitely opt for the Soul over the LEAF, AOTBE. I can't remember what kind of cooling the Soul has, so don't know if it would be at an advantage in hot climates also. Of course, we'll also see VW and others taking sales from Nissan, but the Soul will be the first competitor which has all the LEAF's main features and adds valuable extras, for about the same price.evnow said:
evnow
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Has the price been announced ?GRA said:
It is going to be difficult for anyone to compete with Nissan on price in volumes. For that they'd have to be fairly well integrated and have a long term vision & plan.
This is the reason we don't have a competitor to Leaf - and won't for sometime. Reminds me of all those prius killers over the last decade.
GRA
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You were the one quoting from the insideevs article which said "Pricing is expected to be just higher than a decently equipped Nissan LEAF." As for your second point, Hyundai/Kia have been out-competing Toyota, Honda and Nissan on price for years, and AFAIK they retain their advantage of lower labor costs, so I'm not at all as certain as you are that they can't compete. They may decide not to, but that would seem an odd choice if they need to meet CARB ZEV quotas in the not too distant future, 2018 at the latest. I'm not sure if Hyundai and Kia count for one corporation or not for CARB.evnow said:
evnow
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They have to price lower because they are thought to be not as good.GRA said:
As for carb, they have to sell a small number of BEV or even fewer fcev.
TonyWilliams
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GRA said:
Starting in 2012, the "Large Vehicle Manufacturers" must sell a minimum number of California Air Resources Board - Zero Emission Vehicle (CARB-ZEV) qualifying vehicles for compliance in California:
Manufacturer - ZEV used for compliance:
Ford - Focus EV
Honda - Fit EV
Chrysler/Fiat - 500e
Toyota - Rav4 EV, iQ EV
GM Chevrolet - Spark EV
Nissan - LEAF
For model years 2015 and beyond:
BMW - i3
Fiat/Chrysler - 500e
Ford - Focus EV, hydrogen by 2018?
General Motors - Spark EV, potential "200 mile EV moon-shot", hydrogen by 2018?
Honda - absolutley hydrogen
Hyundai - absolutley hydrogen
Kia - Soul EV
Mazda - Demio EV
Daimler/Mercedes - B-Class ED, Smart ED, hydrogen by 2018
Nissan - LEAF, eNV-2000
Toyota - absolutley hydrogen
Volkswagen - eGolf
Four additional manufacturers would also be required to comply with the ZEV requirements, but would be allowed to meet their obligation with Plug-In Hybrids (PHEV).
Model Year - ZEV Credit Percent Requirement
2012 ------------ 0.79%
2018 ------------ 2.00%
2019 ------------ 4.00%
2020 ------------ 6.00%
2021 ------------ 8.00%
2022 ----------- 10.00%
2023 ----------- 12.00%
2024 ----------- 14.00%
2025 ----------- 16.00%
DaveinOlyWA
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TonyWilliams said:
lot of hydrogen there. interesting to see if they can get traction if its all concentrated in one area? but even if they could, the likelihood they could expand won't happen unless they can get someone to pony up about trillion dollars to support distribution
evnow
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BTW, they can still trade credits. Hyundai and Kia being sister companies, if Hyundai can lease enough FCEV for both companies, they can satisfy carb needs by internal transfer of credits.
GRA
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That's the question that I was asking, and Tony's post doesn't answer as we already knew that Hyundai and Kia were taking different approaches. Are they considered sister companies of the same corporation like GM divisions or maybe Fiat/Chrysler, or are they treated as two different companies by CARB? I'm not familiar with the exact terms of their alliance, so does anyone know if it more resembles Fiat/Chrysler or the Nissan-Renault alliance?evnow said:
evnow
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I'd guess they will simply go by legal company registration i.e. different companies as for as different companies. But they can trade credits and allocate needed credits to each company - that is all CARB cares for.GRA said:
kubel
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Kia and Hyundai are separate entities, but Hyundai owns a third of Kia. It's a little different comparing Chevrolet/Buick/GMC/Cadillac, since those are brands/divisions that are 100% owned and controlled by GM.
evnow
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Right - they are more like Nissan Renault than Chevy and Cadillac.
GRA
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What I figured, but how does CARB look at them, i.e. do they apportion ZEV requirements individually or jointly?evnow said:
evnow
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I'd guess separately- but as I wrote they can trade needed credits.GRA said:
cwerdna
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Hyundai and Kia look like they're separately treated based upon http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/zevprog/zevcredits/2012zevcredits.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.evnow said:
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