evnow
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Yes - if they sold BEVs.cBeam said:Or are you interested to learn that I did not buy an Acura, Aston Martin, Audi, Bentley, ...
Yes - if they sold BEVs.cBeam said:Or are you interested to learn that I did not buy an Acura, Aston Martin, Audi, Bentley, ...
evnow said:Yes - if they sold BEVs.cBeam said:Or are you interested to learn that I did not buy an Acura, Aston Martin, Audi, Bentley, ...
Not really. I'd actually be interested in knowing why someone considered but didn't buy brand x/model y - as long as it is a BEV.surfingslovak said:I think you missed cBeam's point there. Anyway, I think it's time to come back to the topic of the thread again.
I'm all for continued discussion, but as forum moderator, I hope that you recognize that there are limits we shouldn't explore.evnow said:Saying something like "Just don't buy the car, if you don't like it or can't afford it" is the most useless thing to say in an internet forum. That kind of statement is meant to kill conversation rather than promote discussion.
jsongster said:Anyone know if the RAV4Ev ever got it's charging timer fix? I almost bought that nice vehicle until these forums informed me of it. That and the lack of a CHAdeMO input cinched it for me.
evnow said:Well, it is quite clear why BMW designed REx with the limitations we see - and those seem to match with the CARB rules as written. Highly unlikely, those two happened independently.surfingslovak said:BMW itself has never said that the i3 will get a white sticker. This was based on comments and articles from one journalist.
Also true that BMW issued a statement about stickers.
So, yes, BMW never stated they were going after white sticker - but actions of CARB (rule changes etc) and design of REx makes it obvious.
Yes, that's the $3,850 many have been waiting for. Still no word from CARB. I just reached out to them earlier today. They have already added the BEV to their eligibility list, and the BEVx cannot be far behind.TonyWilliams said:Having said that, of course we really don't know what CARB will do. I tend to believe they will in fact issue the white sticker for the oil burner i3.
surfingslovak said:I think you missed cBeam's point there. Anyway, I think it's time to come back to the topic of the thread again.
TonyWilliams said:Having said that, of course we really don't know what CARB will do. I tend to believe they will in fact issue the white sticker for the oil burner i3. But,that's just a hunch based on how all the little pieces of BMW's design perfectly matched the rules as I understand them
Well, we have to agree to disagree then.TomT said:Actually, I think he nailed the point!
surfingslovak said:I think you missed cBeam's point there. Anyway, I think it's time to come back to the topic of the thread again.
I found your perspective always valuable, but the latest posts have been less than constructive.TomT said:Otherwise, it is simply a scam.
surfingslovak said:this thread is about the i3 and what we can learn about it
I didn't say that or did I? Comparing the i3 to the LEAF is OK, but a continuous bitch fest based on made-up or incorrect information isn't particularly helpful. If you must vent, please do so elsewhere.pbennett said:surfingslovak said:this thread is about the i3 and what we can learn about it
Which is also contained within the Nissan Leaf forum, not the BMW Forum, so it's *completely* appropriate to compare the BMW to the Leaf and what it does/doesn't bring to the table in comparison.
TomT said:Actually, I think he nailed the point!
surfingslovak said:I think you missed cBeam's point there. Anyway, I think it's time to come back to the topic of the thread again.
I hope you find that perfect EV you are looking for. When you do, please let me know, I would like to get one too.
That's what I call sour grapes.
I'm not gonna tell you, because what I consider "more" will not coincide with what you consider "more". It'd be a waste of your time and my time.mkjayakumar said:Please.. tell me what is that i3 gives me for $15K more than Leaf ? I have been dying to hear that. But I have not seen one post that gives me a good comparison between Leaf and i3.
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Again, this is my request: explain in tangible terms, what am I getting over a Nissan Leaf for all the extra $$ that an i3 costs ?
'm not gonna tell you, because what I consider "more" will not coincide with what you consider "more". It'd be a waste of your time and my time.
mkjayakumar said:Fair enough. I take it as nothing more than BMW luxury tax. I paid my share of luxury tax on Lexus vehicles.
But here is my point: For a range limited, or a crippled BEV all those extra niceties mean very little. After 50 miles of driving at sub-zero weather, when your i3 slows down to turtle 10 miles from your house, all those zippy acceleration, wood trim, and a nice BMW logo means nothing. Or the likely scenario would be that the expensive i3 would be the garage queen on those days, when the trusted polluting ICE would take you around.
Now, don't get me wrong. The same thing is even more true for my lowly Leaf. Except atleast I will be satisfied that I paid far less than the neighbors garage queen who paid $15K more.
Here's a quick and dirty comparo list.cBeam said:So what is your evaluation of the i3 compared to say a Leaf or a Focus EV? I already know that you find it too expensive, and I assume you don't like the door configuration. What is your experience in driving the i3 in cold weather, how does the range change? What about battery degradation, does the i3 also lose 10% per year battery capacity as stated by some for the Leaf? Does the i3's weight advantage turn into a range benefit when driving a hilly terrain? I saw in a different thread that you can't input a destination address into the Leaf's nav system unless the car is stopped. The (ICE) car I am currently driving allows to put in a destination while driving, which is usually done by someone in the passenger seat. How does the i3 handle this?
I haven't seen the i3 in person nor have I driven the car. Based on your location I assume you haven't driven the i3 either. I have test-driven the Leaf and I was underwhelmed, maybe because I am biased against Asian cars in general. Still I have not excluded the Leaf from my list of cars I consider to buy or lease. If nothing else the i3 seems to be one of the few credible additional offerings in the electric car category, competition is usually good. Time will tell if the car will be successful or not.
The German publication Manager Magazin, which appeared on newsstands yesterday, reports that i3 production is ramping slower than anticipated. You can read a summary of their research in the article linked below.Apr 25: Nalley BMW, Decatur, GA
Mar 22: BMW of Tenafly NJ
Feb 22: BMW of Sudbury, MA 10am-6pm
Feb 22: Herb Chambers BMW of Boston, 10:00 am to 6:00 pm
Feb 21-22-23: East Bay BMW, Pleasanton, CA
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