WetEV said:
Your skills as an information warrior are very impressive, Andy. But spreading FUD isn't useful for humanity's future. You should know this, but perhaps we have different perspectives.
Good to see you using your new phrase in a sentence. With more time and experience maybe you'll learn to grok it more fully. In the mean time, let me help you a bit since you've crossed the line by labeling me with the fruits of your incomplete understanding.
For the record, I do not agree with and will not use information warfare tactics by/for business or against the general public. In addition, I will not be part of using these tactics in a military context unless it's used to save lives (and it is/can be). And finally, if I DID plan to use IO techniques in this forum, the last thing that would make sense would be to educate the group on the process first.
You then imply that you are the better arbiter of information useful for humanity's future. Let's check the record from this forum. You continually push continued use and expansion of nuclear power, while continuing to proclaim that renewables cannot supply 100% of our energy needs and that if we try we'll find that it's way too expensive (though you won't respond when asked 'compared to what'?). At this point, after being part of this community from nearly the beginning, I don't consider you to be a reliable source for energy information. I have and will continue to thank you for your efforts to raise awareness of the problem of atmospheric CO2, however.
WetEV said:
Human's have a list of lot of different ways in which we die. Radiation is far down the list, and would continue be so even at much higher levels of radiation.
Here you ignore that nobody is talking about LD100. We're not even talking about LD50 or LD10 - we're talking about people becoming sick after extended exposure to radiation 100-300 times higher than ambient and through ingesting contaminated water. In other words, simple fact.
Your attempt to make this about 'death' is a cheap and failed attempt to discredit me, the info I'm reporting, and thus the experience of the US Navy personnel that were actively involved in the Fukushima disaster response. Fail.
WetEV said:
I don't expect a realistic answer, and expect you will continue spreading the FUD, and never bother to consider the cost of doing so. After all, you are fighting an "information war". By disagreeing with you I have become the "enemy".
You again call me a liar, and a sociopath at that - then attempt to raise yourself by calling yourself the enemy. That's too funny. I can assure you that I do not consider fact to be FUD, I'm deeply against FUD and work instead to provide clarity when I can. I can also assure you that I don't consider you to be elevated to the position of 'enemy' in any way.
Meanwhile, back on topic. Here is first-person testimony from two members of the USS Reagan crew - two folks who's duties required them to be out on deck daily.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rVM_A3ulDs[/youtube]
To recap: They were sent to support Japan prior to the Fukushima meltdown. They continued to operate for weeks after the meltdown, and the ship didn't go on lock-down (and radiation detectors weren't deployed) for nearly a month). They were not given iodine though senior staff and pilots were. They were asked to keep information from the crew that first month. It wasn't until later that the Captain started making ship-wide announcements.
The helicopters used to ferry supplies to the mainland were so radioactive that engines were replaced at sea because they didn't know if they were safe to operate, and parts removed from the helicopters could not be decontaminated and were sequestered as hazardous waste.
I don't know and have never suggested that anyone in the Reagan task force died. What we do know, however, is that at least one sailor had a bone marrow transplant to treat leukemia, another has a brain tumor, another is losing control of one side of his body. In total, about 100 sailors that worked outside as part of the response force are sick. Yes, the majority of sailors - most of which stayed below and never normally go 'topside' unless they leave the ship - received very low does near that received while flying or on a beach in the sun. Others were exposed to higher than normal levels of radiation for the entire ~80 days they spent off the coast of Japan.
edit...another first-person account:
He explained that the officers and crew of the USS Ronald Reagan and other vessels believed that it was safe to operate within the waters adjacent to the Fukushima power plant. Because TEPCO assured the Navy that it was safe to be in the area, the Navy did not do its own testing. Nathan Piekutoski, who served aboard the USS Essex told Fox News that he and his fellow sailors trusted the TEPCO officials. He said, “They did say it was safe at the time. We had to take their word for it.” After the incident, Piekutowski developed leukemia, which is currently in remission. He has been told that he may need to undergo a bone marrow transplant.
TEPCO officials did not respond to requests from Fox New for comment. However, a recent admission before members of the Japanese press on December 12, former Prime Minister Naoto Jan said the first meltdown occurred five hours after the tsunami, not the next day as reported at the time. Bonner claims that the statement means that the Japanese government was aware of the radiation leakage. He said, “They knew there was an active meltdown and they deliberately hid it from the public as well as the Navy. Those sailors went in there totally unaware and they were contaminated as a result.”
http://www.examiner.com/article/uss-ronald-reagan-sailors-stricken-with-radiation-illnesses
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SRC:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/84594396/...2011-0118-FOIA-PA-2011-0119-FOIA-PA-2011-0120
edits...added quotes, fixed link