GaleHawkins said:
Randy said:
I think your title is overly dramatic. The second generation of EVs has been on the market since 2011 here in CA, and has had an 8 year run of little to no road taxes or other fees.
I don't think it's fair for my neighbors to have to pay my share of road taxes. I'm driving two EVs and I think it is time to pay. Here in CA, they are starting a $100 fee next year for EVs. It's a simple start; if they calculated the fee individually by mileage some people would pay less because of reduced mileage and some would pay more.
Not charging any EVs road maintenance fees is unsustainable as the numbers grow. There is lots of road work to be done, so revenue has to go up and not down. Here in San Diego, we have almost 50,000 EVs on the road. It's time to pay for our share of road maintenance fees...It has nothing to do with EV hate....
I agree on this subject. While KY has not added any fees to register any EV I expect a $100 will happen and do not have a problem with that.
Then you must like paying a higher road tax than someone driving an equivalent ICE? It's pretty easy to figure out how much an ICE driver driving a given mileage will pay in "road" taxes, which is really BS because the vast majority of "road" taxes are out of the general fund(federal and state) and a pitiful amount is actually paid by the gas tax. Now if you really want to pay for roads then do what Norway or Sweden does, have something like a $4/gallon gas tax! that's reality, even a dollar/gallon "gas" tax is very inadequate.
How I figured even a $100 "EV tab" fee would be more than double what I'd pay in "gas" tax and about what the average ICE driver driving an equivalent ICE car would pay:
First figure out the equivalent MPG a Leaf would be. Now I know the ICE equivalent on the Leaf window sticker is something like 100mpg but I figured 30mpg as what I thought as the Leaf was roughly similar the Versa which gets about 30mpg.
Next you have to figure out how many miles you drive, I drive less than 6k/year but others drive much more, I think the average is 12k?? but that's not really fair for a vehicle like our 70 mile(mines 50-60 miles) Leaf, so lets go with a generous 10k/year.
Lastly you need to know how much your state charges in a "gas" tax, my state(MN) charges slightly less than 29c/gallon.
10k miles @ 30mpg would mean driving a 30mpg ICE someone would be purchasing 333 gallons/year and at 29c/gallon it would mean an average ICE driver would be paying roughly $97/year in a MN "gas" tax. In my case, driving 6k/year(max) I'd be purchasing 200 gallons of gas/year and paying $58/year in a "gas" tax or less than I pay for MN's "EV" tax! a real good incentive for purchasing a vehicle that is cleaner for the environment and I'm not even getting into the "electricity" tax I pay for charging an EV that an ICE driver doesn't pay.
Now the latest is MN is thinking of getting more people to drive EVs, lets think about getting rid of an unfair "EV" tax first :roll:
The only fair way to tax roads is a mileage fee plus weight fee, the more you drive the more you pay and the heavier your vehicle(causes more wear and tear on the roads) the more you pay. Personally I'm not too fond of this way as I figure it would be a record-keeping nightmare and too ripe for cheating but if done correctly could be a more fair way to pay for roads, much fairer than an "EV" tax.