GlennD said:
<span>People buying <a href="http://www.myelectriccarforums.com/electric-vehicle-charger/" class="interlinkr" target="_blank">EVSE<span class="tip">Compare EVSE equipment</span></a>'s that can supply more current are at best deluded. The <a href="http://www.myelectriccarforums.com/electric-vehicle-charger/" class="interlinkr" target="_blank">EVSE<span class="tip">Compare EVSE equipment</span></a> broadcasts the available current but the car <a href="http://www.amazon.com/s/?field-keywords=electric%20vehicle%20charger&tag=myelecarmecf-20" class="interlinkr" target="_blank">charger</a> takes only what it needs.</span>
<span>A first generation Leaf will draw 16A at L2 from a 16A <a href="http://www.myelectriccarforums.com/electric-vehicle-charger/" class="interlinkr" target="_blank">EVSE<span class="tip">Compare EVSE equipment</span></a> or a spec max 80A <a href="http://www.myelectriccarforums.com/electric-vehicle-charger/" class="interlinkr" target="_blank">EVSE<span class="tip">Compare EVSE equipment</span></a>.</span>
<span>Currently only Tesla and Tesla based cars like my <a href="http://www.mymercedesbenzplugin.com" class="interlinkr">Mercedes<span class="tip">Visit the Mercedes Forum</span></a> B Class EV draw 40A. Everything else is 30A or less. An enhanced Leaf will only draw 27.5A. </span>
<span>You can say you purchased a 40A <a href="http://emotorwerks.com/products/online-store/?partner_id=903" class="interlinkr" target="_blank">JuiceBox</a> for your Leaf but is is not going to make the car charge faster. It only future proofs your <a href="http://www.myelectriccarforums.com/electric-vehicle-charger/" class="interlinkr" target="_blank">EVSE<span class="tip">Compare EVSE equipment</span></a>.</span>
We know. To say the OP and others who want a high-power EVSE are "deluded" is incorrect and impolite. We're not trying to charge the vehicle faster here, we're trying to be prepared for future EVs with higher-power chargers, as your last phrase notes. It's a considerable advantage to be prepared.
Darryl said:
inphoenix said:
<span>I did read good things about <a href="http://www.amazon.com/s/?field-keywords=clipper%20creek&tag=myelecarmecf-20" class="interlinkr" target="_blank">Clipper Creek</a> http://www. href="http://www.amazon.com/s/?field-keywords=clipper%20creek&tag=myelecarmecf-20" class="interlinkr" target="_blank">ClipperCreek</a>.com/store/product-category/32a-charging/. So what would be a better option between HCS-40 and HCS-40P. Is NEMA 14-50 the only difference? How would that affect me if I am using it only at home?
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Yes. I believe the only difference is one is hardwired to your house. The "P" model has a NEMA 14-50 plug (or a NEMA 6-50 if you choose). The plug model can be easily removed and used at another location or the hardwired one would stay put till an electrician removed it. As you pointed out before, a NEMA 14-50 plug model could be easily used at RV parks...
Correct, and this image:
http://a6b6a4d850da023e34c0-ffd458871468d7801be60d93d5d79b26.r30.cf2.rackcdn.com/47782.jpg from a PlugShare check-in at an RV park in Corydon IN shows how useful it can be.
inphoenix said:
nedfunnell said:
<span>If you want to be as future proof as an affordable <a href="http://www.myelectriccarforums.com/electric-vehicle-charger/" class="interlinkr" target="_blank">EVSE<span class="tip">Compare EVSE equipment</span></a> can get, look at the <a href="http://emotorwerks.com/products/online-store/?partner_id=903" class="interlinkr" target="_blank">JuiceBox</a>- 15kW (60A) for $607.</span>
Hello,
<span>It seems this product is not available anymore. Now, their top end <a href="http://www.myelectriccarforums.com/electric-vehicle-charger/" class="interlinkr" target="_blank">EVSE<span class="tip">Compare EVSE equipment</span></a> is (40A, 10kW) http://<a href="http://emotorwerks.com/products/online-store/?partner_id=903" class="interlinkr" target="_blank">eMotorWerks</a>.com/products/online-store/1605-<a href="http://emotorwerks.com/products/online-store/?partner_id=903" class="interlinkr" target="_blank">JuiceBox</a>-green-40-emissions-optimized-40-amp-<a href="http://www.myelectriccarforums.com/electric-vehicle-charger/" class="interlinkr" target="_blank">EVSE<span class="tip">Compare EVSE equipment</span></a>-with-24-foot-cable/category_pathway-23. Do you know of any other <a href="http://www.myelectriccarforums.com/electric-vehicle-charger/" class="interlinkr" target="_blank">EVSE<span class="tip">Compare EVSE equipment</span></a> which would be a good fit for future proofing (Bolt or Leaf Gen2).</span>
<span>Here is my situation. First off, I don't know much about <a href="http://www.amazon.com/s/?field-keywords=electric%20vehicle%20charger&tag=myelecarmecf-20" class="interlinkr" target="_blank">charger</a>s and <a href="http://www.myelectriccarforums.com/electric-vehicle-charger/" class="interlinkr" target="_blank">EVSE<span class="tip">Compare EVSE equipment</span></a>s. I am planning to get a Leaf soon (was going to get a 2015 S/QC till I heard about 2016 SV and now waiting for it). I do plan to get a second gen Leaf or a Bolt as well (when they become available). I would like to set up in home charging before I get the first EV. What is my best bet? </span>
<span>I did read good things about <a href="http://www.amazon.com/s/?field-keywords=clipper%20creek&tag=myelecarmecf-20" class="interlinkr" target="_blank">Clipper Creek</a> http://www. href="http://www.amazon.com/s/?field-keywords=clipper%20creek&tag=myelecarmecf-20" class="interlinkr" target="_blank">ClipperCreek</a>.com/store/product-category/32a-charging/. So what would be a better option between HCS-40 and HCS-40P. Is NEMA 14-50 the only difference? How would that affect me if I am using it only at home?</span>
Lastly, what is the write wire gauge to be used from the mains to the outlet (getting it installed by the electrician but just want to know)?
Any help would be appreciated.
Ah, I didn't know they stopped selling the higher-current one, that's too bad. In your situation, I would go for the Juicebox 40A, and you will
probably be good to go for the next-gen EVs- but nobody knows yet how much power they will be able to charge with. I wouldn't get the Clipper Creek HCS-40. It's a little confusing, they name their EVSEs for the amp circuit that's required, not how much current it can supply. The HCS-40 is only able to supply 32A, not 40A. The Juicebox 40 will actually put out full 40A, which I think you want for future-proofness.
40A is good for 9.6kW, and that's a fair guess for what kind of chargers GM/Nissan will equip the Bolt/Leaf 2 with, but we won't know until that's announced. Either of these would need to be installed on a 50A circuit since the NEC requires continuous loads (over 3 hours) to be derated to 80%. So the ideal thing would be a NEMA 14-50 receptacle with an EVSE that has a matching plug. The correct wire to use would be 8 AWG unless you have a really long cable run from the breaker box, in which case 6AWG is better. (For common copper wire with a 75°C insulation rating- lower-rated copper or aluminum conductors would be different)
If you wanted to be REALLY future-proof, there is another option. The Clipper Creek CS-100 is good for up to 80A! It'd require a 100A circuit, which must be hardwired, and would need at least 3AWG cable, and a new subpanel to be installed, if not more.
If it were my money, I'd go for the Juicebox 40 with the NEMA 14-50 plug. I wouldn't even tell the electrician it's for an EV, just that you want a NEMA 14-50R in the garage at such-and-such location, and make sure they don't try and scrimp on wire size.