lost first battery capacity bar at 4000 miles

[johnrhansen]

I've read that heat is the big culprit. I live in seattle, have had my car for a year now and have seen no degradation at all. I dont have leaf spy or any other app to monitor anything, except for the panel indications. I do know however how many miles I can go on a charge and it has not changed. In the summer, I rarely get above 6 temperature bars, it usually sits at 5. In the winter it sits at 4 most of time. For you folks who lose capacity quickly, where do your temp bars usually sit? 7 bars? 8?

 

[keydiver]

In south Florida I see 6 bars perpetually. I can't say that I have ever seen anything but 6 bars.

 

[LEAFfan]

My 2013 was made in Jan., was already down 4-5% capacity when leased, and lost its first CB at 10 mos./8000 miles/ 54.9 AH. However, it was 15% loss, but now is at 86% capacity.

 

[cracovian]

My six month old 2013 SV is down 4% after 5K miles. It's actually doing much worse than my old 2012 was doing around the same time.

 

[HighDesertDriver]

In the summer, I rarely get above 6 temperature bars, it usually sits at 5. In the winter it sits at 4 most of time. For you folks who lose capacity quickly, where do your temp bars usually sit? 7 bars? 8?

Our's shows 5 most of the winter with short drops to 4. Summer is 6 with rare drops to 5 and frequent daytime excursions to 7 when local temps exceed 100F. Never seen 8. Capacity dipped below 50Ahr yesterday for the first time (LeafDD).

 

[TomT]

So much for the 2013/2014 batteries being better...

 

[mkjayakumar]

So much for the 2013/2014 batteries being better...

Well as you have have noticed no one with a 2014 has complained as of yet on any abnormal degradation. There have been some 2013s, (with no definitive manufacture cut-off date) have shown remarkable lack of (or very low) degradation.

As far mine, my 2014 SV has 8500 miles in 5 months and seeing 66.5 ahr, but that goes up and down depending on the temperature. I live in Plano, TX same as OP. The only thing I have always done is to park the car outside overnight to let it cool. The garage stays too hot, especially with other ICE parked.

 

[TomT]

It's really too early in the cycle of that model year to know one way or the other yet...

Well as you have have noticed no one with a 2014 has complained as of yet on any abnormal degradation.

 

[cwerdna]

My 2013 was made in Jan., was already down 4-5% capacity when leased, and lost its first CB at 10 mos./8000 miles/ 54.9 AH. However, it was 15% loss, but now is at 86% capacity.

Wow, you got a REALLY early '13 Leaf. I don't think they were even on sale in January 2013 yet.

I attended http://sfbayleafs.org/past-events/2013/01/2013-leaf-bay-area-reveal/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; in mid-Jan 2013 which had a pre-production '13 Leaf w/some issues (same car brought to Phoenix meeting) like the front passenger door that couldn't be opened from inside and out (faulty or broken mechanism).

 

[o00scorpion00o]

The Mk 1.5 Leaf was not available until July 13 ?

 

[dhanson865]

The Mk 1.5 Leaf was not available until July 13 ?

no the 2013 model isn't 1.5 by any stretch.

Here's a post I made the other day on Leaf revisions

1.0 2011 Leaf
1.11 2011 Leaf with cold weather package (offered late in the model year)
1.12 2012 Leaf (all 2012 and newer have the cold weather package built in)
1.15 2013/2014 Leaf S trim (stripped with 3.x KW charger)
1.20 2013 Leaf SV/SL (with 6.x KW charger)
1.25 2014 Leaf SV/SL (with some late builds possibly having the improved battery)

1.3 2015 Leaf S trim (stripped with 3.x KW charger and the improved battery)
1.35 2015 Leaf SV/SL (with a guaranteed improved battery that some call "lizard")

If the 2016 Leaf has a 30 kWh battery in the SL instead of the 24 kWh that still isn't Leaf 2.0, that might rate a 1.5 with the 2016 trims that have the 24 kWh battery still being stuck at 1.3 with the 2015 S trim.

 

[o00scorpion00o]

I always thought of the 2013 as being 1.5 because it was the most major upgrade since the original the next being the MK II ?

 

[dhanson865]

I always thought of the 2013 as being 1.5 because it was the most major upgrade since the original the next being the MK II ?

But the 2015 had a major battery chemistry change, what do you call it?

And the 2016 will have a noticeable battery capacity change, what do you call it?

Neither can be Leaf 2.0 because that name is reserved for the Leaf coming in 2017 or later that will have double the range of the 2011 Leaf.

And if a 48 kWh Leaf is 2.0 then a 30 kWh shouldn't be higher than 1.5 and none of the 24 kWh Leafs should be above 1.45 because then they bump into the 30 kWh numbers.

You can argue the numbers between 1.01 and 2.0 in several different ways. Just know that we know some of what is coming and it makes the difference between a 2012 and 2013 seem almost minor.

 

[o00scorpion00o]

I always thought of the 2013 as being 1.5 because it was the most major upgrade since the original the next being the MK II ?

But the 2015 had a major battery chemistry change, what do you call it?

And the 2016 will have a noticeable battery capacity change, what do you call it?

Neither can be Leaf 2.0 because that name is reserved for the Leaf coming in 2017 or later that will have double the range of the 2011 Leaf.

And if a 48 kWh Leaf is 2.0 then a 30 kWh shouldn't be higher than 1.5 and none of the 24 kWh Leafs should be above 1.45 because then they bump into the 30 kWh numbers.

You can argue the numbers between 1.01 and 2.0 in several different ways. Just know that we know some of what is coming and it makes the difference between a 2012 and 2013 seem almost minor.

Ye I get you, for posting on forums though I think it's a lot easier to say MK 1 for the original Leaf and Mk 1.5 for the 2013 and then MK II for the brand new model in 2017.

Or maybe just 2011-13 Leaf or 13+ Leaf ?

 

[EvansvilleLeaf]

We have a 2013 SV, which we took off of the lot in May of 13. We have 4300 miles on the car, and LeafSpy is showing 255 GIDS and 89% SOC. So we are still a few percent from losing a bar, but it feels lower then it should be given how temperate (or downright frigid) our climate has been over the year.

My personal conspiracy theory is that in the first 6 months of 2013, quality control was still a little choppy in TN, and the let alot of B rated battery packs into the market to meet demand.

From a few ancillary posts, there are some late 2013 and 2014 models which are showing outstanding lack of degredation.

Did you lease or buy

My 10 month old 2014 SV shows 258 GIDs at full charge too.