July Plugin Sales : Leaf 395, Volt 1849, PIP 688, FFE 38

[EdmondLeaf]

Leaf sale in US is very good concerning population size. Adjusting for population we bought 3 times more than GB http://www.am-online.com/news/2012/3/23/nissan-sold-around-800-units-of-leaf-in-year-one/30718/, and much much more than Germany or France. One thing I do not understand is, why there is so much Nissan help building charging infrastructure in Europe and not much here. Ireland have so many QC stations and only 9 Leaf registered in March. There is another push to expand infrastructure in Europe http://the-big-turn-on.co.uk/. There is something that we do not know or something is not right with marketing strategy?

 

[evnow]

But hat was after disruption in deliveries, due the earlier earthquake and tsunami, seemed to lead to a bump in May/June deliveries.

No - If you see the Q1 figures, they were very small and in Q2 Nissan was able to deliver a lot of Leafs that had been manufactured prior to the earthquake. But, Q1 Japan sales were very high (2,500 in March alone !), because there was fear of incentives in Japan running out after March. You will have to search the old threads to get the full story.

 

[GaslessInSeattle]

that is a good point about the lag. It's not surprising that orders over the winter months would be down. There was a lot of squawking about range issues and climate control last fall/winter and surely that was not good for sales. orders should be improving as we are getting away from winter and it will take some extra months to see that in sales. Most Leafs did not have the CWP going into last winter and without that, it's hard to get through the winter without substantial loss of range due to forced reliance on a less than perfect climate control set up. As more folks have the CWP and can rely less on the climate control, the Leaf orders will probably take less of a hit during next winter, and even less so the following year as the new 2013's populate with the new heater.

If I were Nissan I would be concerned. NIssan had their best month ever, selling 136,317 cars. Of that 579 were Leafs.

Keep in mind that the Leaf is still not available in most dealerships across the US. You still have to order one and wait months for it to be delivered. Until there are 2 or 3 Leafs sitting on every dealer lot in the US, I'm not going to worry too much about the sales numbers as long as they remain constant or get better. After all, 579 is still better than last month. Truth be, most of the people who bought those 579 Leafs probably ordered them 2 or 3 months before. So the sales figures for the next month or two will reflect the number ordered in March.

 

[spike09]

Found this cool website that tracks US and Canada auto sales http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2011/01/nissan-leaf-sales-figures.html

No word yet on the March Mitusbishi i sales figures

 

[RegGuheert]

After all, 579 is still better than last month.

Of the past 12 months of USA LEAF sales, February had the worst sales numbers. March is second worst. In a month when Nissan sold more cars in America than ever before, they need to figure out what they need to do to improve their LEAF sales.

 

[scottf200]

Found this cool website that tracks US and Canada auto sales http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2011/01/nissan-leaf-sales-figures.html
No word yet on the March Mitusbishi i sales figures

I listed these a few days ago in an above post.

EVNow, et. al,

Cool summary/table site of USA and Canada sales someone found at gm-volt.com ( http://gm-volt.com/forum/showthread.php?12596-Good-web-page-showing-Volt-sales-including-Canada" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; )

chevrolet-volt-sales-figures - http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2011/01/chevrolet-volt-sales-figures.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
nissan-leaf-sales-figures - http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2011/01/nissan-leaf-sales-figures.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
mitsubishi-i-miev-sales-figures - http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2011/01/mitsubishi-i-miev-sales-figures.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

 

[GRA]

After all, 579 is still better than last month.

Of the past 12 months of USA LEAF sales, February had the worst sales numbers. March is second worst. In a month when Nissan sold more cars in America than ever before, they need to figure out what they need to do to improve their LEAF sales.

Oh, that's easy, drop the MSRP $15k, quadruple the range and install multiple L3s (charging by the kWh) every 10 miles or so. You're welcome! :lol:

Seriously, does anyone have a breakout of Volt sales in California versus the U.S. as a whole, so we can see the effect of the HOV-compatible cars on Ca. sales?

 

[redLEAF]

After all, 579 is still better than last month.

Of the past 12 months of USA LEAF sales, February had the worst sales numbers. March is second worst. In a month when Nissan sold more cars in America than ever before, they need to figure out what they need to do to improve their LEAF sales.

They (local Nissan dealers in Chicago) don't even MENTION that they have a LEAF demo available for test drives in their print ad's at all, that would be very low key to say the least ... however, we do see the TV ads that most would see nationally here so its a disconnect with the dealers. Most say their 'allocation' is only one or two cars a month and that would go fast and just have people place an order and wait; we saw early (Apr '10 orders) arrive in Nov (mine came in late Dec) and I have yet to see another on the road here so I don't think there was simply enough to sell versus the Volt versus an over supply of not selling. I look at this at we still have something 'unique' for just awhile longer ...

 

[Yoshi]

FYI,
PriusPHV sales in the US.
http://priuschat.com/forums/toyota-prius-plug-in/106139-how-many-us-pip-sales-first-month-march-2012-a-2.html#post1515517" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
21 in Feb.
891 in March.

 

[kmp647]

So Toyota reports 20% of their sales were hybrids in March
A result of new models such as Prius C , and fuel prices moving consumers towards
More fuel efficient cars.
But Nissan can only sell 579 Leaf?
With 7500 plus in incentives?

I agree nissan should be very concerned
Time for the mid- year refresh and some marketing and maybe
A free dock incentive.

 

[Herm]

Just having them in stock at a dealership will do it, but it wont happen until US production starts.

 

[TRONZ]

I have had a couple of people say "wow, I bet you are loving your LEAF now!". Followed by "I bet dealers are getting crazy prices for them when they're available". I would not be surprised if the majority of folks in the U.S. believe dealers are getting huge premiums on LEAF (maybe some are trying this) and still believe they are not readily "available" yet.

Or simply, guys are always shocked when they find out alot of pretty girls are single and would love to go out on a date. But figuring they are taken already, guys never even try asking them out.

 

[palmermd]

Just having them in stock at a dealership will do it, but it wont happen until US production starts.

Local dealer here has had 5 in stock at all times. Not sure if it is the same 5, but every time I've looked in the past year there were 5 cars on the lot. Right now 3 SL and 2 SV. 4 are 2012 and 1 2011. Based on that I'd say they are selling some as I remember in the past they were mostly 2011.

Personally I don't think it is a supply issue. It is more of a value issue. I would not have purchased the car if it were not for the rebates and credits, and there are fewer now, and the price went up. The value is just not there. If they were selling an Infinity at this price point, I bet they would sell a lot more. I've said all along we'd see sales of about 400 per month, and I got scolded for even suggesting it. Someone said they would be selling 4000/mo and I tried to say that they really meant per year. The original poster never responded, but everyone else took exception.

 

[DaveEV]

PriusPHV sales in the US.
http://priuschat.com/forums/toyota-prius-plug-in/106139-how-many-us-pip-sales-first-month-march-2012-a-2.html#post1515517" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
21 in Feb.
891 in March.

Good to see the PiP off to a good start. Hopefully Toyota can keep the sales rate up after the initial rush is over. We'll know in 6+ months...

That's a lot of plug-ins for March:

2300 Volts
900 PiPs
600 LEAFs
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3800 Plug-ins

(I assume that Focus EV, iMiEV, ActiveE and Coda numbers are very low)

 

[spike09]

Found this cool website that tracks US and Canada auto sales http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2011/01/nissan-leaf-sales-figures.html
No word yet on the March Mitusbishi i sales figures

I listed these a few days ago in an above post.

EVNow, et. al,

Cool summary/table site of USA and Canada sales someone found at gm-volt.com ( http://gm-volt.com/forum/showthread.php?12596-Good-web-page-showing-Volt-sales-including-Canada" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; )

chevrolet-volt-sales-figures - http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2011/01/chevrolet-volt-sales-figures.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
nissan-leaf-sales-figures - http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2011/01/nissan-leaf-sales-figures.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
mitsubishi-i-miev-sales-figures - http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2011/01/mitsubishi-i-miev-sales-figures.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Sorry about that. Posts get easily lost in an active thread

 

[scottf200]

Via "kickincanada" at gm-volt.com
After Record Sales, Chevy Volt Production Will Resume One Week Early
http://idealab.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/04/gm-will-restart-chevy-volt-production-one-week-early-uaw-reveals.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This should help April.

 

[Train]

Nissan better have alternate plans for that TN plant because reality is one big ugly mofo.

It's not supply, it's not marketing, it's not a lack of incentives, it's not lack of a QC network. It's $38,000 for a car that has a 75 mile range and, oh...you need to spend a couple grand more to charge 220. "Oh, by the way, you can increase the mileage by turning off the climate control and stereo!" Now, there's reassurance.

They can buy a Prius that gets 53 mpg for $19,000. It ain't rocket science.

The early adopters have their Leaf. The general public is speaking by buying every other car BUT the Leaf.

I'll say it. It's the price and it's the car. Cold, hard reality is difficult to accept but, there it is.

 

[adric22]

Leaf.
I'll say it. It's the price and it's the car. Cold, hard reality is difficult to accept but, there it is.

And I'll say it again.. It is still a supply issue. Maybe there are some lots in CA that have Leafs on them. But most of the country that is not the case. How many Prius's do you think Toyota would sell if people had to order them and wait several months.. especially if there wasn't even a demo that they could test-drive?

 

[Train]

And I'll say it again.. It is still a supply issue.

You're going to be disappointed in six months.

 

[cdub]

Just having them in stock at a dealership will do it, but it wont happen until US production starts.

Local dealer here has had 5 in stock at all times. Not sure if it is the same 5, but every time I've looked in the past year there were 5 cars on the lot. Right now 3 SL and 2 SV. 4 are 2012 and 1 2011. Based on that I'd say they are selling some as I remember in the past they were mostly 2011.

Personally I don't think it is a supply issue. It is more of a value issue. I would not have purchased the car if it were not for the rebates and credits, and there are fewer now, and the price went up. The value is just not there. If they were selling an Infinity at this price point, I bet they would sell a lot more. I've said all along we'd see sales of about 400 per month, and I got scolded for even suggesting it. Someone said they would be selling 4000/mo and I tried to say that they really meant per year. The original poster never responded, but everyone else took exception.

It's not just that. It's quite an investment to buy a Leaf.

Usually you have to order online but the bigger thing is that in order to really be able to fully buy and enjoy a Leaf. You kind of NEED a charging station.

Only the truly dedicated will get one without one. And only the truly dedicated will go through the trouble of getting one installed in their home.

The Leaf is NOT an impulse buy.