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SageBrush said:By the way OP, you forgot to mention that the $17k is spent on a car with a puny motor.
Let's summarize: $17k to have excellent local or regional range BUT
NO warranty
Anemic home charging
Outdated DC fast charging
Outdated car
Outdated performance
Even as an exercise for a marketing class, this is pretty pathetic.
It's important to remember that this is a hypothetical; warranty and service are a question for lawyers and actuaries. 1-3 years is just an educated guess based on an imagined lean startup with ten customers per year; a company with a long-term business model probably would be happy to match Nissan's 6- or 8-year 100,000 mile warranty.
The puny motor is actually a good thing - cars with fewer horsepower are safer to operate (no possibility of a 120mph wreck!) and EVs with lower-powered motors tend to damage their batteries (and transmissions, and tires...) substantially less over time. The Leaf inverter can technically output 130 kW instead of 80 kW, but bringing that up here would just be a confounding factor for battery upgrade companies
Not to defend GM or Nissan, but the difference between DCFC to 80% on Tesla's 250 kW Superchargers vs 50 kW CHAdeMO (and the new hypothetical pack) or 50 kW CCS is barely 20 minutes (30-40 mins vs 50-65 mins). I'm sure you've taken photos of the "1000 mph" charging on your Tesla, but there's a reason that number always drops.
They've done a great job with thermal management on the M3 -- but if it "fully" supercharged at 250 kW, the car would be at 100% in less than 20 minutes (and also on fire). Higher peak rates provide ever-diminishing returns and are largely vehicles for marketing and hardware innovation - the consumer experience is not meaningfully improved by them.
On the last point - performance is a very valid criticism, but so far (out of 40+ respondents) you're the only one to bring it up. Thank you for being the outlier! Leaf owners that don't also have Teslas seem to have no complaints with their Leaf's performance.
Thanks for the perspective