Will 2023 Ariya and Leaf qualify for Tax Credit?

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Flyct

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The new rules for tax credits are confusing to say the least.

Ariya:
From what I can decipher the Ariya WILL NOT qualify for the tax credit. Am I wrong?

Leaf:
I just made a deal to trade my 2020 SL Plus in on a 2023 SV Plus that arrives the end of September. I had to read multiple web postings and from what I can decipher I will be able to claim the credits on my 2023 Leaf purchased between 8/16-12/31 since its assembled in TN and before 12/31 the battery element are not considered. . Yet one dealer told me he thought the tax credit was "going away" on the Leaf

What the truth?
 
Flyct said:
The new rules for tax credits are confusing to say the least.

Ariya:
From what I can decipher the Ariya WILL NOT qualify for the tax credit. Am I wrong?

Leaf:
I just made a deal to trade my 2020 SL Plus in on a 2023 SV Plus that arrives the end of September. I had to read multiple web postings and from what I can decipher I will be able to claim the credits on my 2023 Leaf purchased between 8/16-12/31 since its assembled in TN and before 12/31 the battery element are not considered. . Yet one dealer told me he thought the tax credit was "going away" on the Leaf

What the truth?
You're right on both counts.

You should have told the dealer to take $7500 off the sticker price then. Lol
 
Triggerhappy007 said:
Flyct said:
The new rules for tax credits are confusing to say the least.

Ariya:
From what I can decipher the Ariya WILL NOT qualify for the tax credit. Am I wrong?

Leaf:
I just made a deal to trade my 2020 SL Plus in on a 2023 SV Plus that arrives the end of September. I had to read multiple web postings and from what I can decipher I will be able to claim the credits on my 2023 Leaf purchased between 8/16-12/31 since its assembled in TN and before 12/31 the battery element are not considered. . Yet one dealer told me he thought the tax credit was "going away" on the Leaf

What the truth?
You're right on both counts.

You should have told the dealer to take $7500 off the sticker price then. Lol

@Triggerhappy007

Thanks for confirming. I feel much better now.

I like the idea of asking for another $7,500 discount. :)

The deal was $8,100 out the door so in the end my total cost will be $600 after claiming the Tax credit. It will be my 5th time a collect a $7,500 tax credit :(

I was amazed how different the dealers were with pricing. It went from $17,000 plus my trade to $8,100 plus my trade.

I think that lack of tax credit will negatively affect the Ariya sales significantly
 
I think you'll hear an announcement soon from Nissan that they will build EVs other than the Leaf in the US. It would make sense for them to use the Smyrna facility too, along with a brand new one dedicated to EV production
 
Indeed about the chaos and confusion w/the sudden tax credit changes. Ariya shouldn't qualify given https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/taxevb.shtml pointing to https://afdc.energy.gov/laws/inflation-reduction-act since it's not assembled in North America.
 
Would the LEAF qualify after 12/2022?

I cannot find any information about their battery assembly and mineral content.

I am still trying to buy one before the end of the year, but NorCal dealers are still asking thousands over MSRP and availability is very low.
 
cwerdna said:
Indeed about the chaos and confusion w/the sudden tax credit changes. Ariya shouldn't qualify given https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/taxevb.shtml pointing to https://afdc.energy.gov/laws/inflation-reduction-act since it's not assembled in North America.

Oh wow, had no idea. Explains why it takes so long to order one, has to come from the other side of the world. :eek:
 
At the Ariya EVent in San Mateo a few months back (before this sudden tax credit change), since I knew Ariya was MIJ, I asked about whether/when they might shift to US production (was out of curiosity). The person didn't know.

One would think that Nissan and all automakers selling EVs/PHEVs in the US affected by this North American assembly requirement have at least explored/considered seeing what it'd take to move production + anything else needed to qualify for the Federal tax credit.
 
Nissan by waiting so long to bring Ariya to the US hosed themselves with the tax credit change. If selling cars and making money is the focus, they need to dump their previous strategy, and ramp up Leaf production for the next year whule.csr supplies are tight. Bring over a few halo Ariyas for early reservations and show cars for dealers. Every Ariya in a dealer will sell 20 Leafs as modest means drivers will get a good chunk of the credit and have an affordable EV.
 
DougWantsALeaf said:
Nissan by waiting so long to bring Ariya to the US hosed themselves with the tax credit change. If selling cars and making money is the focus, they need to dump their previous strategy, and ramp up Leaf production for the next year whule.csr supplies are tight. Bring over a few halo Ariyas for early reservations and show cars for dealers. Every Ariya in a dealer will sell 20 Leafs as modest means drivers will get a good chunk of the credit and have an affordable EV.


We test drive an Ariya a few months ago. My impression of it was neutral. Their big sales push was the completion is the Tesla Model Y and the Ariya would be about $10,000 cheaper. That was before the new tax credit rules were announced. But the rep said dealers are taking pre orders but beware of “price gouging”.

With the new tax credit rules in 2023 and dealers marking up the Ariya a fixed price long range Tesla Model Y would be less expensive than a dual motor Ariya. The Tesla is also chock full of technology features the Ariya lacks.

Nissan missed t6 boat I think.
 
Yep. Agreed. Its really not interesting against a Y, EV6, or Ionic as prices are all fairly similar (with Y soon getting a credit and the other 3 not).

If you can get a Plus with the new full tax credit at sticker, its still a good value, but I would seriously cross shop the Bolt EUV now. The Bolt is priced very well.
 
Re: Tesla receiving tax credit again (but there is a price cap, https://www.kiplinger.com/taxes/605081/ev-tax-credit-inflation-reduction-act-2022-changes says MSRP of $80K or less for SUVs and $55K or less for cars), as one guy at my work put it, it was almost written with the intent for Tesla to dominate and maintain their US position.

I can see where he's coming from. So many BEVs and PHEVs all of the sudden got screwed on Aug 16, 2022. It's not something quick nor easy to suddenly move production to North America and might require even more work meet the other requirements (e.g. critical minerals, battery components, etc. that https://afdc.energy.gov/laws/409 mentions).

That guy is relatively new to EVs and has a Taycan. From the minimal amount I've seen him post about it, doesn't seem like a fan of Tesla.
 
en11 said:
Would the LEAF qualify after 12/2022?

I cannot find any information about their battery assembly and mineral content.

I am still trying to buy one before the end of the year, but NorCal dealers are still asking thousands over MSRP and availability is very low.
Indeed. It's not clear.

https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/taxevb.shtml points to https://afdc.energy.gov/laws/electric-vehicles-for-tax-credit about vehicles "that may meet the final assembly requirement". But, https://afdc.energy.gov/laws/409 mentions the issue you allude to. :(

Seems like US-market Leaf after 12/2022 should qualify for at least $3750 since Leaf packs should still be coming from TN (https://www.envision-aesc.com/en/network.html). That's where US-market Leaf packs have been coming from since model year '13.
 
It looks like the 2024 Leaf purchases this year will qualify for the partial $3750 tax credit since they're certified to meet the “battery component” requirements...
https://usa.nissannews.com/en-US/releases/2024-nissan-leaf-eligible-for-3750-ev-tax-credit
 
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