Falcon73
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Looking to buy a 2nd Leaf - How Old Should We Go?

We have a 2018 Leaf SL in SoCal and it's been great for us, but we are thinking of getting a 2nd one for our WA home.

The '18 was from Mesa, AZ, so its battery did get a little fried out there (82% SoH when we bought it 3 months ago) but coastal SoCal should be a fair amount easier on the batteries. Still, we might move this one up to WA, depending on what we can find.

I recall reading to avoid the 1st model year of 2011, but what year started seeing the 30kWh battery packs? Some battery packs have been replaced so those could be worthwhile.

I'm looking at a 2012, but it only shows 37 miles as the fully charged range, which seems quite *bad* even for a 24kWh.

Thank you for any suggestions to help narrow the search range.
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Re: Looking to buy a 2nd Leaf - How Old Should We Go?

https://mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=26662

Hot climates are murder on Leaf batteries, esp. batteries from before 4/2013 builds. There's a nutty guy in LA who's driving around an '11 Leaf with 3 capacity bars left (yes, 9 gone). https://web.archive.org/web/20170825181 ... y_Behavior was a mapping of capacity bars vs. remaining capacity from the '11 service manual. It went away from later service manuals and I'm not sure if it ever came back.

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Re: Looking to buy a 2nd Leaf - How Old Should We Go?

I wouldn't even consider anything older than a 2015, with a minimum trim level of SV + charge package.

Here's one such example, from the Seattle area:

https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sal ... =642514142
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Re: Looking to buy a 2nd Leaf - How Old Should We Go?

Please read my used Leaf buying guide, which Cwerdna linked. Actually, you don't really want a 30kwh Leaf: many of those batteries aged too rapidly, and while this can qualify the car for a free 40kwh battery, if you want minimal hassle, the 24kwh Leafs with the "Lizard pack", made from 2015 through 2016 (just the 24kwh Leaf S) are a good deal - IF they weren't driven in a Hot climate. The same is true of the 4/2013 - 2014 "Wolf pack" (named by me) but they resist heat even less than the Lizard packs. Confused? Read the buying guide.
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Falcon73
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Re: Looking to buy a 2nd Leaf - How Old Should We Go?

Thanks! I will read the guide and see what questions I have. The one I mentioned above has a Canary pack for sure then.
cwerdna
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Re: Looking to buy a 2nd Leaf - How Old Should We Go?

Falcon73 wrote: Wed May 18, 2022 3:12 pm but what year started seeing the 30kWh battery packs?
Began with '16 SV and '16 SL: https://usa.nissannews.com/en-US/releas ... -press-kit. You can click on the Specs tab.

Then near the end of '16, there became the '16 "S 30": https://www.greencarreports.com/news/11 ... gher-price. Original '16 S was only 24 kWh.

All '17 are 30 kWh.

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Re: Looking to buy a 2nd Leaf - How Old Should We Go?

Falcon73 wrote: Wed May 18, 2022 3:12 pm We have a 2018 Leaf SL in SoCal and it's been great for us, but we are thinking of getting a 2nd one for our WA home.

The '18 was from Mesa, AZ, so its battery did get a little fried out there (82% SoH when we bought it 3 months ago) but coastal SoCal should be a fair amount easier on the batteries. Still, we might move this one up to WA, depending on what we can find.

I recall reading to avoid the 1st model year of 2011, but what year started seeing the 30kWh battery packs? Some battery packs have been replaced so those could be worthwhile.

I'm looking at a 2012, but it only shows 37 miles as the fully charged range, which seems quite *bad* even for a 24kWh.

Thank you for any suggestions to help narrow the search range.
Slightly off the main topic, but your 2018 is one of the lowest SOH I've heard (for 2018s). Do you have full battery bars, or is it missing a battery bar?

As of this AM my 2018 was at 85.89% SOH but I do still have full battery bars.
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Falcon73
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Re: Looking to buy a 2nd Leaf - How Old Should We Go?

danrjones wrote: Thu May 19, 2022 8:01 am Slightly off the main topic, but your 2018 is one of the lowest SOH I've heard (for 2018s). Do you have full battery bars, or is it missing a battery bar?

As of this AM my 2018 was at 85.89% SOH but I do still have full battery bars.
Yeah, I know. I wasn't kidding when I said the battery got fried with the prior owners in the Arizona Desert. However, it had all 12 bars when I got it, but 11 now.

Actually it's slipped just under 80% recently (79.76%, I think). The resistance number is in the mid 50% range as well. Yeah, another reason I want to move it to Washington state. I probably should do another thread on this to see what my options are down the road.
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Re: Looking to buy a 2nd Leaf - How Old Should We Go?

Falcon73 wrote: Fri May 20, 2022 9:57 am
danrjones wrote: Thu May 19, 2022 8:01 am Slightly off the main topic, but your 2018 is one of the lowest SOH I've heard (for 2018s). Do you have full battery bars, or is it missing a battery bar?

As of this AM my 2018 was at 85.89% SOH but I do still have full battery bars.
Yeah, I know. I wasn't kidding when I said the battery got fried with the prior owners in the Arizona Desert. However, it had all 12 bars when I got it, but 11 now.

Actually it's slipped just under 80% recently (79.76%, I think). The resistance number is in the mid 50% range as well. Yeah, another reason I want to move it to Washington state. I probably should do another thread on this to see what my options are down the road.
Do you remember what SOH was when you lost the battery bar?
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Falcon73
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Re: Looking to buy a 2nd Leaf - How Old Should We Go?

No, but probably just below 80.5%

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