DougWantsALeaf
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Re: 62 kwh batteries for 2013-2020 Leafs - where's the Business Plan???

If prices hit $50/kWh hour and density doubled, so you could get a 100-120kWh battery for 5-6K, I could see that being attractive to a subset of owners in 4-5 years....still a cottage industry thoug.
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Re: 62 kwh batteries for 2013-2020 Leafs - where's the Business Plan???

The people who have put the 62kwh battery in the older leaf just used the whole 62kwh battery from a wrecked car.

Some one already tried to build a business around making new, bigger, better leaf batteries. They're call "fenix power".

They already have the infinity kwh leaf. It's called the versa.
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Re: 62 kwh batteries for 2013-2020 Leafs - where's the Business Plan???

Battery upgrades from salvaged Leafs looks like an easy job on the surface. A 3 hour job. Pull it in , drop the old battery, install the new one. Now for a little reality. How much time , effort and money is it going to take to set up this job? Where are you going to find a steady supply of reasonably price battery packs. Are you going to have to go to each pack and test it before purchase? How much effort will be put into recouping money from the old pack. You will either have to make or buy adapter cables and acquire CAN bus bridges. You may need equipment for programming Can bus bridges and testing battery packs. You will need electrical and computer skills. You will need customers that accept that their Nissan warranty is void. With all that being said, I am wondering if there would be a market for 2011-2012 Leafs upgraded with 40 KWH battery packs for about $10,000.00. There are a lot of older Leafs that other than the battery are in good condition. They may show 7 bars and be priced around $3500.00. Could you sell the old battery, buy and install an upgrade salvage battery, and other necessary parts and put it all together for under $10,000.00 ? I'll end here this is getting long and I have still left out lots of details(that's where the Devil is). I would appreciate your thoughts and comments. Thanks Kevin
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Re: 62 kwh batteries for 2013-2020 Leafs - where's the Business Plan???

kmcmahan wrote: Thu Mar 18, 2021 11:33 am Battery upgrades from salvaged Leafs looks like an easy job on the surface. A 3 hour job. Pull it in , drop the old battery, install the new one. Now for a little reality. How much time , effort and money is it going to take to set up this job? Where are you going to find a steady supply of reasonably price battery packs. Are you going to have to go to each pack and test it before purchase? How much effort will be put into recouping money from the old pack. You will either have to make or buy adapter cables and acquire CAN bus bridges. You may need equipment for programming Can bus bridges and testing battery packs. You will need electrical and computer skills. You will need customers that accept that their Nissan warranty is void. With all that being said, I am wondering if there would be a market for 2011-2012 Leafs upgraded with 40 KWH battery packs for about $10,000.00.
No. Have you looked at the price of used '18 Leafs that still have some warranties left, including capacity and battery defects warranties?
https://www.cars.com/for-sale/searchres ... 0&zc=90210

How about used '17 60 kWh Bolts?
https://www.cars.com/for-sale/searchres ... t&zc=90210

The reasonably steady supply (e.g. from wrecked Leafs w/the capacity you need) is going to be a problem, as well.

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Re: 62 kwh batteries for 2013-2020 Leafs - where's the Business Plan???

Buy a used battery and get a free car attached to it with upgraded electronics. That's the problem here. Used Leafs are so cheap that it makes more sense to sell your old one and buy a newer model used. With 2018 and 2019 models coming off lease and Nissan's poor EV rep., those could be bought on the cheap and you still get a better, larger battery and improved electronics. When the Aryria comes out later this summer, Leafs will be available at fire sale prices.
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Re: 62 kwh batteries for 2013-2020 Leafs - where's the Business Plan???

johnlocke wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:23 pm When the Aryria comes out later this summer, Leafs will be available at fire sale prices.
That is what a lot of my friends and family are waiting on also. People focus on the shiny, new Ayria (more photos of the outside and inside here: https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/pictures/ ... roduction/ ) and hopeful that everyone starts trading in Gen 2 Leaf to get these and like you said, Gen 2 Leaf goes on fire sale and thus, trade in Gen 1 for nicer Gen 2 Leaf. :shock:
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Re: 62 kwh batteries for 2013-2020 Leafs - where's the Business Plan???

DougWantsALeaf wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 8:34 pm Until new cells are $50/kWh, a business model is going to be difficult.
I had read somewhere, recently, that the wholesale price of Li Ion cells is $137/kwh. So there is long way to go until $50.
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Re: 62 kwh batteries for 2013-2020 Leafs - where's the Business Plan???

AdventureMuffin wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 9:15 pm
DougWantsALeaf wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 8:34 pm Until new cells are $50/kWh, a business model is going to be difficult.
Interesting. I see your point. $50/kwh would still be a $3100 battery. Add a few hours of labor and perhaps $4000 replacement.
Few days of work? Yes, maybe. But not few hours, for sure. Just to take a pack apart takes about whole day.
Where is not a problem to build 50-60-70-80kwh pack, bht cell prices are way too hight.
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Re: 62 kwh batteries for 2013-2020 Leafs - where's the Business Plan???

:roll: I’m not sure they have one, “Business Plan.” However, there is good news! Check out EVs Enhanced redesigned Nissan Leaf replacement battery. After all, it is what we’ve all been asking for from Nissan!!!
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Re: 62 kwh batteries for 2013-2020 Leafs - where's the Business Plan???

I am just excited that another company is looking at creating an aftermarket pack. In 5 or 6 years if a 100kWh pack was available for 10K or less, I would consider it.
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