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Re: Nissan Ariya to be announced for the JDM July 15, 2020

Very unscientifically, I find the dumb cruise control to be more efficient than propilot.

I agree that in the S+, the efficiency difference between 55, 60, 65, 70mph is tighter than in the SV+. In the SV+, on anything but a super hot day, you are in the low 3s at 70mph+ (unless driving with a pack of cars/trucks). At 55mph you are in the mid and sometimes upper 4s. In the S+ at 55-60mph you are around 5 miles/kWh and down to mid 4s at 70mph.

I am starting though also not to care. As long as I can do over 200 miles on a charge at 70 (which the S+ can in most weather), there is not much else I need the car to do. I do want one major car review site to range test the S+, but not sure that will happen.
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Re: Nissan Ariya to be announced for the JDM July 15, 2020

DougWantsALeaf wrote: Thu Sep 09, 2021 12:17 pm Very unscientifically, I find the dumb cruise control to be more efficient than propilot.

I agree that in the S+, the efficiency difference between 55, 60, 65, 70mph is tighter than in the SV+. In the SV+, on anything but a super hot day, you are in the low 3s at 70mph+ (unless driving with a pack of cars/trucks). At 55mph you are in the mid and sometimes upper 4s. In the S+ at 55-60mph you are around 5 miles/kWh and down to mid 4s at 70mph.

I am starting though also not to care. As long as I can do over 200 miles on a charge at 70 (which the S+ can in most weather), there is not much else I need the car to do. I do want one major car review site to range test the S+, but not sure that will happen.
Interesting findings, however anecdotal.

I'm a little surprised that the S+ is that much more efficient than the SV+. It's not like the one weighs that much more, and even if it did, you're mostly talking about more or less steady state driving, aren't you?

Our SL+ routinely gets mid 4's, and I'm not working at it in the least. I drive the car like my other cars, precisely because I want to know what it can do under similar circumstances/driving styles. I average 4 even for the whole year with my driving cycle, which is almost exclusively in town, very little highway. I do run snow tires in the winter, and have moved the stock all-seasons to new wheels, which are not aero (but are 5# lighter each).

To your point, the car gets me to where I want to go. That's all that really matters.
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Re: Nissan Ariya to be announced for the JDM July 15, 2020

Definitely interested in the Ariya. Cross-shopping against the Q4 eTron and the ID4, as those are the cars we can get in Colorado that I might be interested in. Can't really see myself in a Ford or a Chevy. Wife hates the Bolt anyway (looks). I'm not super fond of the Mach E.

Lots to consider. We're looking at downsizing in a big way in the next few years. There is a model where we downsize into something quite a bit smaller (transit-oriented housing), shed the camper and the Audi (tow vehicle), keep the roadster for fun, and upgrade the Leaf into something more like our Q5, but in an EV.

That might be an Ariya. We'll see. If they ever get it here...

I've kind of eliminated the Teslas, as I just don't like the interior enough. I'm done with it. No. Moving on.

The ID4 is iffy. Drum brakes? No 360 camera? Prolly not, but I'll look at it.
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Re: Nissan Ariya to be announced for the JDM July 15, 2020

frontrangeleaf wrote: Thu Sep 09, 2021 2:43 pm Definitely interested in the Ariya. Cross-shopping against the Q4 eTron and the ID4, as those are the cars we can get in Colorado that I might be interested in. Can't really see myself in a Ford or a Chevy. Wife hates the Bolt anyway (looks). I'm not super fond of the Mach E.

Lots to consider. We're looking at downsizing in a big way in the next few years. There is a model where we downsize into something quite a bit smaller (transit-oriented housing), shed the camper and the Audi (tow vehicle), keep the roadster for fun, and upgrade the Leaf into something more like our Q5, but in an EV.

That might be an Ariya. We'll see. If they ever get it here...

I've kind of eliminated the Teslas, as I just don't like the interior enough. I'm done with it. No. Moving on.

The ID4 is iffy. Drum brakes? No 360 camera? Prolly not, but I'll look at it.

VW has explained their rationale for using rear drum brakes, and it makes sense to me:

https://www.thedrive.com/news/36683/why ... rum-brakes

When I bought my Forester back in 2003 I opted for the mid- rather than lowest trim in part to get 4-wheel discs rather than discs/drums, so I know where you're coming from, but things change.


Are you not considering the Ionic 5/EV6? IIRR, at least the first is supposed to be sold nationwide, albeit not initially.
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Re: Nissan Ariya to be announced for the JDM July 15, 2020

I have split off-topic discussion (85+ posts) on OBC and charging to a new thread: viewtopic.php?f=9&t=32568

(if I errantly moved your on-topic post into that new thread, please PM me and I'll move it back)
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Re: Nissan Ariya to be announced for the JDM July 15, 2020

Here was a photo caught of the Ariya the other day at a charger. Looks nice.

I'd love to get the Ariya, Q4 Etron, and Ioniq 5 all lined up and compare them in person.



https://insideevs.com/photo/6136201/gmc ... rce-ev-eh/
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Re: Nissan Ariya to be announced for the JDM July 15, 2020

Since I went to the effort to move the off-topic charging posts to a new thread (viewtopic.php?p=609687#p609687), please don't continue posting more off-topic replies here.
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Re: Nissan Ariya to be announced for the JDM July 15, 2020

jlv wrote: Wed Sep 22, 2021 11:03 am Since I went to the effort to move the off-topic charging posts to a new thread (viewtopic.php?p=609687#p609687), please don't continue posting more off-topic replies here.
Thanks!
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Re: Nissan Ariya to be announced for the JDM July 15, 2020

While searching for something else, I found https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YoNLhbT-WU. Interesting that it's being built at Tochigi. '11 and '12 Leafs for the US market were built in Oppama. JDM Leafs and some non-US markets got Leafs from Oppama for '13+.

I finished watching and wow, this is the most automated assembly I've seen so far. I've seen other companies use robots to install the whole dash but that seems to be rare. I wonder how much of the interior bits being installed by humans was skipped (e.g. seals and trim piece).

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Re: Nissan Ariya to be announced for the JDM July 15, 2020

That was an interesting video!
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