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Re: Kia Niro BEV

I also find it odd my daughters Korean Ionic PHEV lacks an electric heater and with the cost of gas now days, she's driving it frequently without heat and a single digit cabin temp :( I really wanted her to get a Prius Prime but she really wanted anything but.....
Check out the "Heater in a Box" topic. If she owns the car you could integrate it into the car, with a new, high capacity 12 volt battery.
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Re: Kia Niro BEV

cwerdna wrote: Tue Feb 22, 2022 8:34 pm On '22 Niro EV EX (lowest of the two trims), front heated seats are standard.

Looks like if you go to EX Premium (the higher trim), you get ventilated & heated front seats + other stuff (e.g. sunroof, syntex instead of cloth seats).

For either trim, cold weather package is a $1100 option and seems to add:
Battery Heater
Heat Pump
Heated Steering Wheel

I'm just going by what's at https://www.kia.com/us/en/niro-ev. If you go to near the bottom, it lists what extra stuff EX Premium gets you.

I unfortunately wasn't watching charging speeds at EA Santa Clarita and the receipt/charging history has a doubtful (likely bogus) peak value of 92.6 kW. I did reach 60 kW on the 62.5 kW McFarland ChargePoint chargers. I wouldn't expect anything different than https://insideevs.com/reviews/351535/te ... e-station/ on a sufficiently powerful DC FC.

Thanks, you're right. I knew I wasn't interested in the Premium, just the EX, as I didn't want a sunroof and while ventilated seats would be nice, I'd rather have cloth. I see the EX doesn't come with a cargo cover, which is a pain. Hopefully you can get one as an option. I drove one a few years back, and can't remember if the options were different then or not. Probably just mis-remembering things that applied to another car. I see they're still only offering boring colors - the Kona's color choices have a lot more pizazz. The Cold Weather package would be a definite must for me; while I can live without the heated wheel (and seats if it comes to that), the battery heater and heat pump would be critical for range on winter ski trips. I was hoping you had the heat pump - yesterday, today and tomorrow morning here in the Bay Area are ideal conditions to compare its efficiency to the resistive heater in your Bolt.

BTW, I'm curious why you took 99 instead of 5 coming back up - was it the higher density of DCFC stations, you wanted to try out non-EA ones, or?
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Re: Kia Niro BEV

I bought the cargo cover mentioned at https://www.insideevsforum.com/communit ... ost-161610 as the OEM one is over $300 (e.g. $486 at https://parts.joneskia.com/p/Kia_2017_N ... G5000.html).

There's still way more charging and redundancy for backups on 99 than highway 5. Also, there are way more opportunities for free charging on 99 (https://dot.ca.gov/news-releases/news-release-2021-001 + McFarland for free and free https://www.plugshare.com/location/129259) than 99. I had to skip Fresno district 6's office each time due to copper thieves having cut the cables.

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Re: Kia Niro BEV

cwerdna wrote: Mon Feb 21, 2022 4:57 pm FWIW, I returned my Bolt under buyback on 1/28/22. On the morning of 1/29/22, I flew down to So Cal to drive a leased Niro EV EX (base trim, no cold weather package) back up ~450 miles. Lease is for 3 years.

I ended up using the broker at https://forum.leasehackr.com/t/kia-leas ... srp/222824 and overall had a good experience. There was no bait and switch nor dealer surprises in terms of the numbers (which was one of my my biggest fears). They lined up with what was I quoted (and asked for with sales tax for my zip code, license, fees, etc.) The dealer even covered my Lyft ride from the airport to the dealer (over 33 miles). They sent me a Lyft URL which had the destination as the dealer and the dealer paying for whatever the cost was.

I charged up a bit at Santa Clarita EA (before the climb up https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tejon_Pass), then the next two were free (McFarland then Madera Caltrans Maintenance Station).

Some folks have been asking for for a comparison/review and it's a bit difficult to compare to gen 2 Leaf since I never owned/leased one. I can more easily compare to '19 Bolt Premier and '13 Leaf. I'll get around to it sometime here or chevybolt.org. I've been quite busy intermittently. The infotainment system is way more elaborate than what was on my '19 Bolt Premier. And, there are numerous features that '19 Bolt didn't have (e.g. adaptive cruise control). But, I do miss Around View Monitor/Surround Vision equivalent. It's n/a on Niro EV even as an option. I also miss the heated steering wheel (is part of an (IIRC) $1100 cold weather package I didn't want to pay for).

I will say that I liked the aspect ratio (4:3?) of Bolt's infotainment LCD much better. The Niro EV's touchscreen is wide and CarPlay looks much worse on it (not due to resolution which is fine but rather just how the UI ends up rendering). Niro EV's LCD also seems to have much better black levels/contrast than Bolt's.
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Re: Kia Niro BEV

cwerdna wrote: Wed Feb 23, 2022 8:03 pm I bought the cargo cover mentioned at https://www.insideevsforum.com/communit ... ost-161610 as the OEM one is over $300 (e.g. $486 at https://parts.joneskia.com/p/Kia_2017_N ... G5000.html).

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Glad to see you got a retractable one, although from what you've said about your usage it may not be as valuable for you as it is for me - they're so much better than the fixed type that just tilts up. Wasn't aware of how big a difference it made until I rented a Bolt (which had the fixed type); both of the Subies I've owned had retractables.
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Re: Kia Niro BEV

What, you don't like karate chops to the nose when you try to load groceries??? OTOH, the PIP had a great, retractable cover that...we never used.
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Re: Kia Niro BEV

^^^ :D More a question of easy access all the way to the back of the seats, plus better lighting.
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Re: Kia Niro BEV

I actually saw an ad on TV today/the other day for the Niro BEV. There was also mention of 0% financing on the purchase. Near the end of the ad, they also had a screen showing that here are 3 versions: hybrid, PHEV and EV. (It's only available in 1 of these versions. There's no such thing (at least in the US) as a non-hybrid, non-PHEV, non-EV version of the car.)

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Re: Kia Niro BEV

This was a Kia ad???
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Re: Kia Niro BEV

Yep. It's possible it's a regional/locally injected ad for my area. I don't recall which channel I saw it on.

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