L3 / CHAdeMO quick charge AWOL ?

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Glenn said:
There are several threads here which already address Ecotality's stellar lack of performance.


Now, now, - let's not discount their amazing performance at pumping out press releases telling us what they are going to do, plan to do, are getting paid to do, and hope to do. :lol:
 
Related topics:

http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=3831
http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=3922
http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=3391
http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=2501
 
In the UK:
westover_quick_charge.jpg


http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ui=maps&ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=206274519224783089293.00049c15382ade45ba1c9&z=6
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http://green.autoblog.com/2011/05/16/report-carb-says-u-s-is-leaning-towards-non-chademo-quick-char/
 
TEG said:
Spain:
http://www.endesa.com/en/saladeprensa/noticias/PublishingImages/1P7A8927.jpg
Whoa! That suckas huuuugggeeee!!!! All I can see on my screen at one time is the LEAF's wheel. Want to scale that puppy down a little, or just link it? You really shouldn't embed another site's image like that, anyway.
 
This is somewhat old news / rehash, but they continue to talk of 400 DC L3s coming, with 45 at BP/ARCO:

http://www.actexpo.com/pdfs/Presentations/Day2/Breakout4/Clustering/ACT2011-Breakout4-BrionesAdrenePresentation150.pdf
Ecotality Infrastructure Planning
...
May 6, 2011
...
Deployment Detail
Total Chargers: ~14,000
• ~8,300 residential EVSE (L2)
• ~5,300 public & commercial
• ~400 DC fast-chargers (L3)
...
BP / ARCO
Host Blink DC Fast Chargers at 45 BP/ARCO sites
...

================================

AeroVironment presentation:
http://www.actexpo.com/pdfs/Presentations/Day1/Breakout1/Infrastructure/ACT2011-Breakout1-HelselKristenPresentation150.pdf
(Check out the "EVBoost" mobile charging on page 8 with TEPCO/JARI/CHAdeMO plugs for tow trucks to give you a "jump start".)
 
Cracker Barrel?

They are home grown here in Tennessee...

We live in Nashville and would be able to do quite a few vacational "nature" trips on some longer Weekends or for our visits with family of hours just in the triangle of Nashville, Knoxville, Chattanooga. This would bring them "Cracker Barrel" quite a bit of business if they would hurry up and install their planned QC (L3).

So I emailed them last week and asked when I can take my Leaf to one of there 24 stores in that area, here is what I received as an answer from Guest Relations:

Dear Mr. C,

Thank you for taking the time to share your comments with all of us here at Cracker Barrel Old Country Store. We're always pleased to hear from our guests.

Twelve of the 24 Cracker Barrel locations that will have chargers installed have been identified. Located along the Tennessee Triangle, these locations will support EV drivers traveling along the corridor connecting Nashville, Knoxville, and Chattanooga:

" Athens
" Cleveland
" Cookeville
" Crossville " East Ridge
" Farragut
" Harriman
" Kimball

" Lebanon
" Manchester
" Murfreesboro
" Nashville Stewart s Ferry Pike

We look forward to seeing you in one of our locations again soon.

Sincerely,

P. S.
Guest Relations Representative
Cracker Barrel Old Country Store, Inc.

It looks like we have to create some "demand" to get something done...

Ralph
 
I'm pretty sure the lack of QC stations is by design. The auto makers in the US and all oil companies have a vested interest in delaying or killing the electric car movement.

If Nissan were smart they would hand pick dealerships that are close to interstate highways and work to install DC quick charge stations themselves. They wouldn't have to install one at every dealership just in key spots.

The advantages are many. I understand that Nissan has access to DC quick charging stations that only cost $16,000.00. That's pretty cheap as those things go. Doing this would ensure that the CHAdeMO plug would become the defacto standard here in the United States. If they owned the stations they could control the price of a charge not to gouge consumers but rather to prevent inflated prices that would chill the perceived viability of EVs.

If the US car manufactures wanted to keep playing their standards game they would risk becoming even more irrelevant than they already are in this emerging technology.

Nissan needs to start playing some serious hardball in this area.

garygid said:
Why is the QC unit that is used all over Japan NOT available for use here?

Does anybody have real details?
 
It's fashionable and fun to bash oil and auto companies but I seriously doubt that have anything to do with this...

Luft said:
I'm pretty sure the lack of QC stations is by design. The auto makers in the US and all oil companies have a vested interest in delaying or killing the electric car movement.
 
You're a more trusting soul than I. With billions of dollars at stake I have no doubt that they are right in the middle of it.

The auto industry doesn't want the CHAdeMO standard for the United States even though it's a standard elsewhere. Even though they themselves have no other workable standard or even a vehicle that would use it.

Yeah… There is a game afoot.


mogur said:
It's fashionable and fun to bash oil and auto companies but I seriously doubt that have anything to with this.

Luft said:
I'm pretty sure the lack of QC stations is by design. The auto makers in the US and all oil companies have a vested interest in delaying or killing the electric car movement.
 
This battle is more about who gets to make money charging in the EV industry than Big Oil blocking things.
Standards battles are about Intellectual Property (IP) and royalties. Whom ever owns the IP in the standard gets royalties from everyone who wants to manufacture things that use it.

Take over-the-air digital TV as an example. In Japan the standard is ISDB-T, because almost all of the IP in that format is Japanese. In China, they created a new standard with only Chinese IP so that anyone who wants to make a receiver or transmitter for the Chinese market pays royalties to Chinese entities. To avoid paying royalties to mostly Asian countries the US was left to choose between DVB-T and ATSC. The US chose the (inferior) ATSC standard not because it was better, but because those IP interests lobbied and politicked harder than the DVB-T IP interests (DVB-T is the standard everywhere but the US and Brazil).

One can expect that the EV charging standard that the SAE choses will not be based on marketshare or technical superiority, but on which IP holders speak the loudest. I think one can guess that GM and Ford will be well represented in the standard that is chosen or created.
 
I think the battle has virtually been lost with CHAdeMO the victor by virtue of being here now. While we all wait with baited breath, it feels like it's taking forever and may not even happen at all and yet in reality, for a big change like this, it's happening over night!!! In a few short months, we'll have CHAdeMO DC charging from border to border along I-5 here in WA. I believe Oregon will have the same along a similar time line also by the end of the year. BAM!

Personally, I am astonished at the momentum, while at the same time wanting to see it before truly believing it.

we live in interesting times!

http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/News/2011/07/13_ElectricHighways.htm
 
garygid said:
I agree with the suggestion of Nissan installing their own QC stations at strategicly-located Nissan Dealers to move QC into the high-use rather than the no-use category.

Lemketron asked Nissan about this in a Twitter chat from Plug-In 2011 yesterday evening. The response from Nissan was that they are planning on having L3 stations at dealers. I don't have any more details than that, because I don't Twit.
 
Nissan's decision to make the CHAdeMO port standard equipment on the (higher-priced) 2012 SL...

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4825

...would certainly support this strategy (L3 charging at dealerships), assuming they ever implement it. :roll:
 
Good news from AAA, for LEAF and IMIEV owners.

Bad news for BEV manufacturers dragging their feet on fast charging.

For electric car drivers, that means that AAA's trucks will soon provide a "range anxiety solution" thanks to technology from Green Charge Networks. The new trucks, which will be rolled out in a limited pilot program over the next year, can offer all the standard AAA services as well as a bit of EV recharging. The trucks have a 4.5 kWh lithium-ion battery on board that can give a stranded electric car anywhere between 15 and three miles of power. This range is dependent on the type of charger the car has and because AAA doesn't like to sit for more than 15 minutes on the side of the road. If they can't solve the problem in that time, it's usually preferred to tow the car in (this is standard AAA practice). So, if the EV can take a DC fast charge using CHAdeMo, it can get around 15 miles of juice in a 15-minute charge. With a more common Level 2 J1772 charger, a car can get either six miles (using a 6.6 kW charger) or three miles (3.3 kW) in those same 15 minutes.
http://green.autoblog.com/
 
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