Since not all Supercharger Stations will be available to Ford, GM and other car drivers, my presumption is that only the stations that are open to them will appear on their car navigation screens or phone apps. Others would show as closed or not available, if they are displayed at all. There was never any suggestion that all stations would be open to non Tesla cars.cwerdna wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 9:30 pm Regarding this chatter about different versions of Superchargers (e.g. v2 or below) not being capable of talking CCS's protocols, is this documented or reported by an credible source somewhere? I've heard this in other circles but also don't know the source and didn't bother asking, partly due to lack of time and interest.
It would create quite a bit of confusion when automakers signed onto NACS have a NACS to CCS1 adapter that works have to give the caveat that you need to go to v3 or newer Supercharger. How is Joe Average EV driver supposed to know this? They'll see the branding, typical look of the stalls and units, etc. and wouldn't have a clue. I have no idea how to tell nor do I care since I've never had a car that could use them anyway.
Or, will all US Superchargers be v3 or greater by then or will older ones be retrofitted to talk CCS?
Re: GB/T et al., https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads ... -y.246571/ is a good summary. This is before Tesla named their plug/standard NACS. The author calls it TPC.
On Tesla cars, navigation displays twenty or so Supercharger Stations in the area, the number of stalls available updated in real time, a rough idea of the wait time if the station is full (short wait, long wait}, and gives turn by turn instructions to get to the chosen station, as well as estimated battery percentage on arrival updated in real time, along with a precise pin location on the map. How much of that Ford and GM will do with their navigation remains to be seen.
Even some heavily used V3 Supercharger Stations may be unavailable to non Tesla drivers. When the Ford and GM announcements were made, the number of Supercharger stalls discussed, about 12,000 IIRC, was far fewer than the number of stalls available, even V3 stalls. Hence my guess — that's all it is — that not all V3 stations will be open to non Tesla cars.
Despite the crowds at a small number of urban stations, most Supercharger Stations are lightly used most of the time. By allowing use by other car brands, Tesla will get more revenue from existing assets, which will allow them to expand the network even faster than they are doing already.