Ford Ditches CCS for Tesla Plug

[cwerdna]

This doesn't say anything about "ditching CCS", AFAICT, just adding so-called NACS.

I haven't read all the details, but are you implying that Ford will include both NACS and CCS1 inlets on their cars?

If not, will these new Fords will be able to use CCS1 via an adapter, which may/may not be included for free?

Of US Teslas sold in the US, when choosing to DC FC, what % of session or kWh are via CCS1 vs. Supercharger? What if you narrowed the scope to Teslas which have CCS hardware and thus only need Tesla's CCS1 adapter?

[wmcbrine]

I haven't read all the details, but are you implying that Ford will include both NACS and CCS1 inlets on their cars?

I don't see why not. But I surely don't know.

[cwerdna]

I haven't read all the details, but are you implying that Ford will include both NACS and CCS1 inlets on their cars?

I don't see why not. But I surely don't know.

There's increased cost of an extra inlet, wiring harness and possibly internal modifications (e.g. to OBC and HV bus or maybe just to some junction box that switches between the two inlets) + extra space needed and different charger door and inlet area design.

But, I'm not clear. My assumption was that it'd be "NACS" only, like Teslas now. Would you expect Tesla add CCS1 inlets to their cars?

I also just finished reading https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a4401 ... g-opinion/ (I've seen his name elsewhere in the EV press a lot over the years) and he's not sure either.

Until right around now, I'd been too busy w/work and other things to even think about the announcement or dig into details.

[WetEV]

There's increased cost of an extra inlet, wiring harness and possibly internal modifications (e.g. to OBC and HV bus or maybe just to some junction box that switches between the two inlets) + extra space needed and different charger door and inlet area design.

But, I'm not clear. My assumption was that it'd be "NACS" only, like Teslas now. Would you expect Tesla add CCS1 inlets to their cars?

I'd assume both. At least on some cars. Maybe not on all.

CCS1 does V2H, Tesla NACS does not. Adapters are bothersome and expensive, and can't deliver the full current from high power chargers.

[oxothuk]

The EV industry needs a uniform fast charging system and a uniform payment system. Farley is looking to make fast charging and payment simpler.

Most of the non-Tesla networks let you pay with a credit card. Is that not a uniform payment system?

[Toby]

Most of the non-Tesla networks let you pay with a credit card.

Oh, I wish. I have only come across a couple of units that had credit card readers. One of them is frequently out of order. My dream is that all charging stations be required to have credit card readers. I can by gas with a credit card; I don't know why EV charging station owners want me to have a phone app.

[Randy]

Most of the non-Tesla networks let you pay with a credit card.

Oh, I wish. I have only come across a couple of units that had credit card readers. One of them is frequently out of order. My dream is that all charging stations be required to have credit card readers. I can by gas with a credit card; I don't know why EV charging station owners want me to have a phone app.

Things are changing a little now, but in the early days the providers would require you to put a deposit into your charging account (like $25) and then charging sessions that were authenticated by their card would be subtracted from your account. When your amount got low, they would automatically charge another $25. This saved them credit card fees per charging transaction. Seems like we're growing out of that model. I'm not sure if credit card fees are any cheaper now, but many vendors now charge per transaction.

Public charging is still a very difficult way to make money. Purchase and install expensive equipment, buy energy at retail price on commercial rates (with demand charges in many cases) and then mark up the energy a little to try and recoup costs. A very tough business model...

[DougWantsALeaf]

Wouldn't it be ironic if Chademo outlasted ccs in North America do the sea change.

[Stanton]

Wouldn't it be ironic if Chademo outlasted ccs in North America do the sea change.

At least for Leaf owners, I would call that poetic justice.

[DougWantsALeaf]

While I know it makes little business sense for Tesla, Nissan, Mitsubishi, or Setec to build an adapter for NACS, it would certainly build some instant loyalty with Leaf patrons.