2017 Prius Prime PHEV

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cwerdna said:
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Sage and Darth, at this point, I wouldn't bother responding to qwab. Looks like a spammer given what I pointed to at http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?p=545788#p545788.
Ahh ... thanks. :oops:
 
https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1122909_2020-toyota-prius-prime-gains-seating-for-5-apple-carplay-revamped-lineup - gaining the 5th seat is a big deal.

Over on Priuschat, we used to slam the gen 1 Volt for its 4 seats and inferior FE. When the gen 2 Volt came out, they sorta added a middle rear seat while boosting EV range + FE but on the plug-in Prius side, seat-wise, it went backwards to the Prime not having that middle rear seat.

I stumbled across http://www.cleanmpg.com/community/index.php?threads%2F56478%2F via an FB post... ignoring the numbers there and not knowing the pricing situation, I went thru https://www.edmunds.com/toyota/prius-prime/2020/options/?legacy=true and picked the cheapest Prime for my zip code and came to "Customer Cash Adjusted True Market Value" for $25,303. TrueCar claims the market average is $25,148.

https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/taxevb.shtml mentions the Federal tax credit is still $4,502. For those in CA who don't make too much in $, they can get another $1000 CVRP (https://cleanvehiclerebate.org/eng/eligible-vehicles). Those in PG&E-land can get another $800 (https://www.pge.com/en_US/residential/solar-and-vehicles/options/clean-vehicles/electric/clean-fuel-rebate-for-electric-vehicles.page). Two other utilities in CA provide EV/PHEV rebates (https://www.cpuc.ca.gov/rebates.aspx).

$25,303 (not including tax and license) - $4,502 - $1,000 - $800 = $19,001

I can kinda see why Prius Prime sales are still doing ok in the US. Volt (limited inventory left) and C-Max Energi are gone. Car's pretty cheap after the above incentives and it's a cheap way for CA folks to get a car that can qualify for CA HOV stickers w/o having EV range anxiety. https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=41489 shows 54 mpg combined which is pretty high. And, CA gas prices are averaging $3.59/gal for regular at the moment per https://gasprices.aaa.com/?state=CA.

I bet some of the Prius Primes will never or hardly be plugged in.

Was looking at https://www.cncda.org/wp-content/uploads/Cal-Alt-Powertrain-Report-3Q-19-Release.pdf and see that for 2019 thru June, the top selling non-Tesla plug-in vehicle was the Prius Prime.
 
I had hoped to get my housemate into a Prime soon, but with both of us having recently lost all confidence in the Prius ICE, it looks like the Prime, if considered at all, would be lease-only then turned in before the engine got old. It would probably make more financial sense for her - and make me happier - to just buy a new or late model EV.
 
LeftieBiker said:
I had hoped to get my housemate into a Prime soon, but with both of us having recently lost all confidence in the Prius ICE, it looks like the Prime, if considered at all, would be lease-only then turned in before the engine got old. It would probably make more financial sense for her - and make me happier - to just buy a new or late model EV.
Lost confidence in the Prius ICE :? Does your PIP use a different ICE than the regular Prius? at least the older ones('07) like we have. We've never had a speck of trouble with our Prius's ICE and as I've been checking lately to see what I'd get selling it, I oftentimes see Prius's with upper 100k's or even low 200k's for mileage. Ours only has low 100k's but unfortunately, I'm going to have to spend a fair chunk before I'd sell it. I noticed both rear springs/shocks cracked in several places this summer. The parts are <$150 on Amazon but I was quoted about $900 for the job at a local shop(not dealer). If I were younger and more nimble I'd DIY, a YouTube video said it wasn't too hard, but I think I'm getting too old to crawl under cars, especially something probably as physical as replacing springs. After doing this I'm also a bit worried the traction battery might fail, which is a $1000+ item to fix. Not that I've had any issue with the traction battery but I've been noticing a fair amount of used Prius's around the age of mine advertise a new or replacement traction battery.......probably a good sign mine might go soon.
I knew I should have followed my belief to sell vehicles when they get 10 years old, for sure would have saved me the $900 for the spring repair.
As for a replacement for it, nothing for sure. Was thinking about a Prime or it would be nice to get into a SUV and in that case the new RAV4 Prime is high on the list. Only worry about the RAV4 is timing, my guess is they won't really be available for general sale well into 2020 or even 2021 :( At this point I'm willing to wait until it comes out and I can sit in it and check pricing, if things look good I'd probably wait, otherwise maybe the Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV or if I think I can do without the extra space of an SUV then the Prius Prime is probably my ticket.......I just have to hope my regular Prius can make it until then before having any more major issues(traction battery)......
 
Apparently there are known issues with head gasket failures, with intake manifold gasket failures, and with clogged EGR systems that don't produce codes because Toyota didn't bother writing or implementing a code for EGR failure. The whole intake manifold was redesigned for 2013, IIRC. The labor is also so expensive that the least we can hope to spend is about $1800 for a new manifold gasket, installed - maybe a thousand if it's only a clogged EGR system. A new head gasket is about $3200 - at an independent shop, no less. And yes, it's the same ICE. It's the Gen III that is poorly designed, not the Gen II.
 
Do we want to start a new topic for the 2023 Prius Prime, or just make this a general Prime topic?

Here's some reviews. Except for the rear view I think it looks great, not that how a car looks is high on my priority list. And the improvements in performance, handling etc. should widen the potential customer base beyond the people who only care about efficiency.

GCR:
2023 Toyota Prius: Prime PHEV aims for 50% more electric miles

https://www.greencarreports.com/new...us-prime-phev-aims-for-50-more-electric-miles



IEVS:
2023 Toyota Prius Prime PHEV Has A Lot More Power And Electric Range

The new Prius Prime is based on the brand new, fifth-generation Prius hybrid.

https://insideevs.com/news/622024/toyota-prius-us-spec-revealed/
 
Amazing that there is still no heated steering wheel. And did that piece say that the Prime was using a NiMH battery, or that the rest of the lineup was? Because our 2013 PIP used lithium...
 
The 2017 Prius Prime plug-in was also Li-x
This Gen Prius (non-plug-in) might also be Li-X. I'm not sure. Toyota decides on cost Vs volume savings.

I asked myself and my wife if we should consider this plug-in instead of the Bolt. For different reasons we both said 'no' pretty quickly. I didn't want to lug around and maintain an ICE for the infrequent occasions it would be used, nor put my wife in the position of having to charge every day to maximize EV usage.

My wife is more interesting, since she is much more practical than me and comes closer to saying what mainstream would say. She does not want vehicle complexity. Our EV lifestyle with 60 kWh is just too convenient to give up.
 
c) It was requested at the first meeting that any decision be made based on research: there is research indicating that students attending K-8th schools fare better academically (see URLs below ) .

Same conversation here, same results! Our daughter has a plug-in Prius which we all love but it just ain't the same as all-elec.
 
LeftieBiker said:
Amazing that there is still no heated steering wheel. And did that piece say that the Prime was using a NiMH battery, or that the rest of the lineup was? Because our 2013 PIP used lithium...


Top XLE versions include that larger touchscreen and the digital key system plus eight-speaker JBL premium audio, the fixed glass roof, a heated steering wheel, a power liftgate, heated and cooled front seats. On it, heated rear seats, a digital rearview mirror, a surround-view camera system, and advanced parking system are optional.

Solar roof arrives, lots more safety tech

Equipment in the three levels of the Prime closely parallels that of three Prius hybrid trim levels, but a solar glass roof, which Toyota says will feed some charge into the battery when parked, is available. It’s unclear at this point whether this is the solar-roof tech Toyota tested in Japan in the outgoing generation; that system loaded 860 watts of solar panels on the roof.


So it sounds like you can get a heated steering wheel, but only if you opt for the high-bling trims. The new Prime's using a Li-ion battery, like the old one. It's the HEV that's shifting from NiMH to Li-ion.
 
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