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Thanks to https://www.chevybolt.org/threads/toyota-bz4x-finally.41314/post-714747 is https://youtu.be/8TzCMsKd8s8. I haven't watched most of it but he begins charging at 7:30 or so. The DC FC rate is not impressive for a newly introduced vehicle in the US.

Ok, edited the OP's title.
 
^^^Confirmed what I'd already guessed for this and the Solterra. Starting at about 16:35, after saying a lot of positive things about how the car drives: "it's just not a road-tripper and um that's the thing it could be like we have electric vehicles that are road trippers* why Toyota couldn't make one I don't know and so this is really the car's Achilles heel if the charging was great I would recommend it to everyone but I can only recommend this car and I actually will recommend it to people who only pretty much stay in their bubble and don't travel too far out . . . But man, this could have been so much better. . . ."


*He mentions the Ioniq5/EV6 and to a somewhat lesser extent the ID.4 in about the same price range as road trip capable.
 
LeftieBiker said:
Toyota and Subaru clearly want to sell an EV that screams "I'm just a compliance car! Any other Toyota/Subaru would be better!


I can't speak for Toyota, but I doubt that's the case for Subaru. They know their customer demographic (I'm a textbook example of their active outdoors sub-type) is generally ideologically motivated to get off fossil fuels, so I'm sure they would have preferred to provide something better suited to our needs. But they lack the size to do that on their own, and I suspect they were dependent on Toyota for the pack design decisions. OTOH, see here for what Toyota plans to introduce for luxury price class BEVs in the near future: https://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?p=621466#p621466

One thing I'm curious about is whether the FWD pack, which is slightly smaller (71.4 kWh) but uses Panasonic cells, will have the same charging profile as the 1.4kWh bigger (72.8 kWh total) CATL pack in the AWD version.
 
The other day I learned of a new one from https://www.chevybolt.org/threads/possible-new-stop-sale-of-the-bolt.44259/page-3#post-730112.

One guy kept calling the car "busy forks". :)

While looking something up for a co-worker about markups, I found https://www.carsdirect.com/automotive-news/industry-news/toyota-bz4x-markups-are-pretty-bad. Eeek!
 
gcrouse said:
I think you're probably right on the models not likely to be huge sellers but i think that will be on part due to lackluster corporate and dealer support. For what it's worth something like the Subaru would be right up my alley down the road if my financials are in order. The Subaru model will still have the tax credits and Toyota is danger close to phase out so it seems like the only reason to buy the Toyota model over the Subaru is if Subaru doesn't have any dealers in the area.
Official: Toyota's $7,500 Federal Tax Credit Phaseout Is Underway
Cars purchased from October 1, 2022 will be eligible only for up to $3,750.
https://insideevs.com/news/600023/toyota-federal-tax-credit-phaseout-underway/
 
Toyota Offers Plenty Of Remedies For bZ4X Owners' Troubles
Toyota recalled its new bZ4X electric crossover since there's a chance the wheels may fall off.
https://insideevs.com/news/601943/toyota-bz4x-recall-dont-drive/
 
I have to think a lot of the 'problem' is how to cover the legal aspects more than the mechanical ones. You'd think the science of how to keep car lug nuts tight is pretty well settled by now....
 
Maybe they've developed an alloy for bolts that can't stay tightened. Kind of a long way to go to avoid selling lots of EVs, but this is Toyota after all - the second worst EV-hating manufacturer after...I wanna say "Stella D'oro"...
 
LeftieBiker said:
Maybe they've developed an alloy for bolts that can't stay tightened. Kind of a long way to go to avoid selling lots of EVs, but this is Toyota after all - the second worst EV-hating manufacturer after...I wanna say "Stella D'oro"...
+1 as a Toyota owner both past and present I totally agree. Toyota would rather spend their money and attention on the pie-in-the-sky fuel cell products than something here and now like EVs and I personally don't like it!
Totoya doesn't mind selling some very fuel-efficient vehicles, and good ones at that but when it comes to totally(or mostly) kicking the gas dependency, they are kicking every step of the way as are other major sellers like GM who like Toyota always seems to have some "poison pill" with their EV products. Almost like they are in cahoots with the oil industry :idea: and no, I'm not normally a conspiracy theorist, but it's the only thing that makes sense that they always come up with things to turn off the average buyer......
IMO the poison pill with the Bz4x would be the extremely slow "fast" charge times which again would turn the road tripper off to them, and push them towards an ICE or PHEV in my case :idea:
 
LeftieBiker said:
So they don't have a fix for loosening wheel studs? You really can't parody stuff like this.
https://www.nhtsa.gov/vehicle/2023/TOYOTA/BZ4X#recalls under associated docs (currently at 9) are the publicly accessible docs Toyota has uploaded so far about this recall.
LeftieBiker said:
Maybe they've developed an alloy for bolts that can't stay tightened. Kind of a long way to go to avoid selling lots of EVs, but this is Toyota after all - the second worst EV-hating manufacturer after...I wanna say "Stella D'oro"...
Although Stellantis AFAIK no longer has any BEVs in the US (e.g. gen 2 Fiat 500e didn't make it to the US (yet?)), now that they've combined w/PSA Groupe, they do have a bunch of BEVs, just not sold in the US.

https://www.stellantis.com/en/technology/electrification claims
"We are setting the course for 100% of sales in Europe and 50% of sales in the United States to be battery electric vehicles (BEVs) by the end of this decade. And we plan to offer more than 75 battery electric vehicle models and reach global annual BEV sales of 5 million units by 2030."

https://europe.autonews.com/automakers/among-europes-electric-car-leaders-stellantis-passes-tesla-challenges-vw claims
In the first half, Stellantis sold 105,413 full-electric cars in Europe, just behind VW Group, which sold 116,307, and ahead of Tesla, which recorded 78,277 sales, according to figures from data provider Dataforce.

The figures include registrations in EU countries plus the UK, Switzerland, Iceland and Norway. Data from Portugal, Sweden and Finland were not available.

Stellantis’ push in Europe was led by the Fiat New 500 small hatchback, which was the best-selling full-electric car in Western Europe in the second quarter, according to analyst Matthias Schmidt. It was the first time that honor did not go to a Tesla model since the last quarter of 2020, Schmidt said.

The New 500 was the best-selling full-electric car in Italy and Germany in the second quarter, Tavares told investors. Another key Stellantis electric model was the Peugeot e-208 small car, which took the top EV spot in France in the same period, he said.
 
LeftieBiker said:
So they don't have a fix for loosening wheel studs? You really can't parody stuff like this.

I take it as evidence of the severity of supply chain disruptions.
 
And did anyone mention that there is a good likelihood that this vehicle won't currently qualify for the new tax credit?

Along with the Subaru, Hyundai Ioniq 5, Audi, KIA EVs, etc

None are currently assembled in N America.

In fact, besides some Chevy and Ford and Teslas, only the Tennessee built ID4 will.


Apparently the automakers are steamed...
 
US market Leafs are assembled in the US and have been since model year '13.

The Ariyas at the recent https://experienceariya.com EVent were assembled in Japan. The VINs that I looked at began w/a J. I asked one rep there about whether they'd move assembly to the US and that person didn't know. They said they could check but I told them it's ok, it's not that important (that I know).

When I have time, I will add more to one of the recent Ariya threads. It seemed like a few of the folks there were from Nissan corporate but likely many others were from an agency/vendor.
 
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