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cwerdna said:
I see 45 cents per minute but either way, that's pretty expensive.
You're right. My mistake. The stations are the usual Chargepoint pair that shares 125 kW. If charging at 62 kW or less that gets very expensive, as you say. I hope they will modify it someday.
 
cwerdna said:
I see 45 cents per minute but either way, that's pretty expensive.

If 125 kW is pulled continuously then a 30 kWh session would be about
15*.45 + 2 = $13
30¢ a kWh

A lot more for a Bolt or LEAF
 
SageBrush said:
cwerdna said:
I see 45 cents per minute but either way, that's pretty expensive.

If 125 kW is pulled continuously then a 30 kWh session would be about
15*.45 + 2 = $13
30¢ a kWh

A lot more for a Bolt or LEAF
How many cars can really pull 125 kW for an entire charging session? Don't most taper fairly quickly?

I looked up some reported charging rates on Plugshare for nearby Chargepoint pedestals of the same kind. I presume that most of these reported rates are the initial one when they first hook-up, although that's a guess.

VW ID.4 64 kW
VW ID.4 45 kW
Kia Niro 74 kW
Hyundai IONIQ 5 125 kW
Kia EV 6 125 kW
Polestar 2 60 kW
Rivian R1T 87 kW
Kia EV 6 115 kW
Bolt 52 kW
VW ID.4 50 kW
VW ID.4 74 kW
Bolt 48 kW
Kia Niro 72 kW
Kia EV 6 125 kW
Rivian R1T 82 kW
VW eGolf 44 kW
Porsche Taycan 102 kW
Porsche Taycan 123 kW
Bolt 51 kW
Bolt 42 kW
Rivian R1T 84 kW
Audi e-tron 62 kW
BMW i3 41 kW
Kia Niro 56 kW
Bolt 36 kW
Bolt 32 kW
Ford Mach-E 75 kW
Kia Niro 55 kW
Porsche Taycan 118 kW
Porsche Taycan 102 kW
Kia Niro 53 kW
Kia Niro 58 kW
Polestar 2 75 kW
Ford Mach-E 70 kW
Ford Mach-E 64 kW
Audi e-tron 60 kW
Audi e-tron 79 kW
Polestar 2 62 kW
VW ID.4 60 kW
VW ID.4 60 kW
Ford Mach-E 73 kW
Rivian R1T 85 kW
BMW i3 85 kW
Hyundai Kona 59 kW
Kia EV 6 125 kW

Lot of different kinds of EVs road-tripping out here in remote SW Colorado!
 
Skip to 9:50 of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FibDTi1Bk8I for an e-tron. I witnessed a non-GT e-tron DC FCing on 150 kW chargers at https://mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?p=603054#p603054.

https://insideevs.com/news/531867/volkswagen-id4-fast-charging-test/ is over 120 kW until about 35%.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yra3AsicSRY - skip to about 3:55. Car is very pricey though, just like Taycan's pricey.

Bolt maxes out at 55 kW. Niro EV value you listed is about right.

Ioniq 5 and EV6 are pretty fast for not crazy expensive cars.
 
dgpcolorado said:
How many cars can really pull 125 kW for an entire charging session? Don't most taper fairly quickly?

I looked up some reported charging rates on Plugshare for nearby Chargepoint pedestals of the same kind. ...

As we know, environmental variables including pack temperature and SoC affect the charging rate. Some of the rates you saw are car limits, some are environmental, and some are driver ignorance.
 
At least some of the dual Chargepoint "125kW" units are reported to only supply 125kW to a single car with an 800V battery, such as an Audi e-tron GT, Porsche, Ioniq 5 and such. All 400V cars max out at less, as does any shared charge.

My e-tron fairly reliably gets 140+kW on EA chargers. Up to 78% SOC, usually peaks at over 150kW. I notice several e-trons on dgpcolorado's list, none close to 125kW. As are several other cars with higher charge rates, Rivian R1T for example. The only cars that seem to get over 100kW are the 800V cars.

100kW/400V = 250A

None around me, so I can't test this.
 
I used a ChargePoint L-2 station yesterday. It was located at a Kohl's department store. It had been vandalized, and only one side worked - sort of. It was glacially slow, and it caused a "Service EV System" error on my car that I'll probably have to clear with LeafSpy. That will teach me to charge just because there is a charging station present...
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fyik_5N8tFE was posted by ChargePoint today on Facebook. I've not had time to watch yet. It's over 2 hours long and has been up <24 hours.
 
https://finance.yahoo.com/video/chargepoint-stock-falls-revenue-warning-164830891.html - I hadn't watched the video but had heard about it on the radio this morning + seen a paywalled story on CNBC. CHPT stock closed down about 35% on Friday.

Besides the CEO change, there are other folks out: https://www.chargepoint.com/about/news/chargepoint-announces-executive-leadership-changes.
 
Volvo Opens First 50 EV Fast-Charging Stations At 15 Starbucks Locations
The chargers currently cover a 1,350-mile stretch between Denver and Seattle
https://jalopnik.com/volvo-opens-50-ev-fast-charging-stations-15-starbucks-1851089837

https://www.media.volvocars.com/us/en-us/media/pressreleases/321914/volvo-cars-opens-public-ev-fast-charging-network-at-us-starbucks-stores lists the locations.
"Drivers of fully electric Volvo models with Google embedded can use the car’s integrated ChargePoint app to find and access stations at participating Starbucks locations, while drivers of other EVs equipped with a standard CCS1 or CHAdeMO receptacle can use the ChargePoint smartphone app."

I checked a few of the sites on Plugshare and confirmed the few I looked at have both CCS1 and CHAdeMO w/equal numbers of each plug.
 
I checked these two on the ChargePoint app and they said 200 kW. But yeah, many seem to be https://www.chargepoint.com/businesses/dc-stations/express that should be capable of up to 125 kW in a pair.
https://www.plugshare.com/location/516347
https://www.plugshare.com/location/565320
 
cwerdna said:
I checked these two on the ChargePoint app and they said 200 kW. But yeah, many seem to be https://www.chargepoint.com/businesses/dc-stations/express that should be capable of up to 125 kW in a pair.
https://www.plugshare.com/location/516347
https://www.plugshare.com/location/565320

Don't get me wrong, I'm happy to see the locations. Especially Glenwood Springs. Just unlikely to ever be the Plan A stop.

The Charge Point Express can only deliver 125kW to an 800V car. Kia EV6, etc. The limit for a 400V car is 200 Amps or less, suggesting near 80kW might be possible. Still half the speed that the e-tron (400V car) can take power from a higher power charger.

Likewise the 200 kW stations are perhaps Charge Point Express Plus, which can deliver 200kW to an 800V car. The limit for a 400V car is often 350 Amps, or 140kW. Yes, with option 3, 500 Amps or 200 kW might be possible. They can also be option 1, limited to 100 kW to 400 Volt cars.

I can't tell from PlugShare checkins to Glenwood Springs if is an option 2 or an option 3 location.

If you drive a Kia EV6 or other 800V car, then the stated power is likely. If you drive a LEAF or a Bolt, you get the car's maximum. Otherwise, is hard to tell in advance.
 
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