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DougWantsALeaf said:
I am just curious why the Bolt fires catch souch more attention than the Tesla fires.

Another M3 burned its victims

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.autoblog.com/amp/2021/09/17/ntsb-investigating-latest-fatal-tesla-crash-and-battery-fire/

And another odd case

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/witness-video-shows-how-fiery-tesla-crash-in-coral-gables-happened-169500.html

And an X
https://www.google.com/amp/s/cbsaustin.com/amp/newsletter-daily/tesla-driver-crashes-into-tarrytown-gas-station-bursts-into-flames-thursday

All articles from just this week.

The biggest reason is that nearly all (except one) Tesla fire happened after an "incident" which means accident or in one case; running over road debris.

Bolt fires are happening after the most common thing most of us do; charging at home. That is a significant difference.
 
Like this one?



https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/08/04/tesla-fire/

And this one

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/tesla-model-x-catches-fire-in-a-tesla-service-center-garage-in-luxembourg-168427.html
 
DougWantsALeaf said:
Like this one?



https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/08/04/tesla-fire/

And this one

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/tesla-model-x-catches-fire-in-a-tesla-service-center-garage-in-luxembourg-168427.html

Nice. Two very recent events. I heard about the SF fire but the X I hadn't. I still don't see this as significant considering there are well more than 10X Tesla's out there than Bolts. But that could change if this continues.

I do remember a Model S back in 2013 or 2014 maybe that burned so that makes 3? Or is there more?

Contrast that to the Bolt which is now up to what? 13?
 
^^^
There have been a some Teslas that caught fire NOT due to serious accidents like this compilation from 2019: https://www.thedrive.com/news/28420/parked-teslas-keep-catching-on-fire-randomly-and-theres-no-recall-in-sight.

But yes, from the count at https://www.chevybolt.org/threads/fire-recalls-summary-and-timeline.39544/, we are past a dozen or 1.5 dozen Bolt battery fires now and Teslas far outnumber Bolts.
 
cwerdna said:
^^^
There have been a some Teslas that caught fire NOT due to serious accidents like this compilation from 2019: https://www.thedrive.com/news/28420/parked-teslas-keep-catching-on-fire-randomly-and-theres-no-recall-in-sight.

But yes, from the count at https://www.chevybolt.org/threads/fire-recalls-summary-and-timeline.39544/, we are past a dozen or 1.5 dozen Bolt battery fires now and Teslas far outnumber Bolts.

Well, I must have missed a few but looks like we are up to 21 Bolts and this article adds 9 more Teslas so 12 Teslas out of 1.8 million. 21 Bolts out of 150,000? But looking thru comments, someone mentioned 15 Kona's? How many of them have been sold? That has to be way worse then Bolt or Tesla?
 
Sigh... yet another person (of many) who doesn't know what they're talking about.

On a Bolt FB group, some guy referred to "24 kwh" charging rate. When pointed out that those weren't the right units for charging rate and that it's kW, followed by an explanation of kW vs. kWh, he "fixes" his post to list "kw/h" then goes onto say that I don't know what I'm talking about. :roll:
 
Yet another person who gave a terrible advice on a Leaf FB group. :(

Someone wants to leave their Leaf for 2 months and wants to put a trickle charger on the 12 volt + leaving the big battery at 60%. This is all great.

One guy responds that you should leave the car plugged the whole time! What the heck? Geez.. he might come back to a dead 12 volt if gen 2 still has the same quirk as gen 1. And, it'll be at high SoC the whole time. I'm not going to leave a Leaf at 100% or even 90% for 2 months straight! That guy claims to have 12 capacity bars still on his '14 Leaf in Canada, which is possible but I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't know which ones are the capacity bars.
 
We get plenty of reports of people who are unable to put their Leafs into READY mode on Leaf FB groups. Almost always when they post, they don't know what's up. Of course, the reply is 12 volt battery which is correct 90+% of the time.

However, I suspect of those are just a result of the 12 volt failing from normal usage/age, not user error like leaving the car plugged in for weeks at a time.
 
cwerdna said:
Yet another person who gave a terrible advice on a Leaf FB group. :(

Someone wants to leave their Leaf for 2 months and wants to put a trickle charger on the 12 volt + leaving the big battery at 60%. This is all great.

One guy responds that you should leave the car plugged the whole time! What the heck? Geez.. he might come back to a dead 12 volt if gen 2 still has the same quirk as gen 1. And, it'll be at high SoC the whole time. I'm not going to leave a Leaf at 100% or even 90% for 2 months straight! That guy claims to have 12 capacity bars still on his '14 Leaf in Canada, which is possible but I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't know which ones are the capacity bars.

A lot of this comes from the fact that most don't know the difference between cars. Add in flip flop statements by CEO's on social media where clarification FREQUENTLY happens in another post several days later and you have nothing but mass confusion.
 
Today, I came across an interesting character in a Bolt group. He was asking some question and said he deleted his other post due to "troll" comments. :roll: Another guy said that that guy already asked the question 5 times and didn't like the answer.

He also used the wrong units "4 miles per Kw". When pointed out that it should be miles per kWh, reacts with a laugh then closes the thread for comments. Looking at that weirdo's old posts in that group, he's all over the place. He sometimes uses the right units for power vs. energy and other times he doesn't. Other times, he includes a pic of his instrument cluster that even says n.nn miles/kWh. Sigh...
 
Here's another example of idiocy. At https://www.facebook.com/groups/NissanLeafOwners/posts/5332649466832999/. This person wrote:
I'm helping my daughter buy her first car. She found a 2012 Nissan Leaf that's really nice. 72,200 miles and well taken care of. But I know nothing about these cars! According to Google the battery only lasts 8-10 years. Should we be concerned? The only thing we have found wrong with the car is the small charger port on the right doesn't work. The larger one on the left works fine. Help?? Advice??
Virtually everyone told her to stay away esp. since it can't be charged via J1772. I don't think she ever answered our questions about battery condition, attached pic of capacity bars nor answered what their driving needs are. She buys it anyway!

She knows nothing about the cars yet the charging prob could be anywhere from a blown diode to something else wrong w/the OBC or something else wrong w/the car.

I've also come across at least 2 or 3 morons on Bolt FB groups who call the Leaf a compliance car. :roll: Of course, the best selling EV in the world before the Model 3 == compliance car. :roll: And, Leaf cumulative sales are over triple that of Bolt and the Leaf actually is available in LHD and RHD countries whereas the Bolt was never even mirrored (for countries that drive no the left side of the road), no longer sold in Europe (since GM got rid of their European group) and sold in FAR fewer countries than Leaf.
 
Language has gotten even more lose than it used to be. By "compliance car" some people just mean that Nissan builds them to get EV credits - no other reason. And that has been true in some years, I think. But it wasn't true when they designed and built the Leaf, and it isn't true now. Maybe it was true in 2014. ;)

As for the poor clueless Facebook People, maybe you should just assume that they are kids playing a prank. on the earnest EV owners...
 
LeftieBiker said:
Language has gotten even more lose than it used to be. By "compliance car" some people just mean that Nissan builds them to get EV credits - no other reason. And that has been true in some years, I think. But it wasn't true when they designed and built the Leaf, and it isn't true now. Maybe it was true in 2014. ;)

As for the poor clueless Facebook People, maybe you should just assume that they are kids playing a prank. on the earnest EV owners...
One of the most recent Bolt idiots claiming Leaf being a compliance car gave goofy reasons (e.g. no CCS and no battery thermal management). Uh...nope. I asked, where was the Bolt between 2010 and end of 2016? Since I'm in California, we get all the compliance EVs and PHEVs here.

Actually, now that you mention 2014, from https://insideevs.com/news/344007/monthly-plug-in-ev-sales-scorecard-historical-charts/, Leaf was the best selling EV in the US that year. I did point that guy to those sales stats.
 
I mentioned 2014 because that was the year that Nissan dropped both the 80% charge option and the ability to get both the Charge and Premium Packages at once. (That came back when the Charge Package became standard, IIRC.) It looked for a minute there like Nissan was backing away from the Leaf.
 
Here's one: at https://twitter.com/LeoOConnorJr/status/1516831745257127937?s=20, this guy asks Electrify America:
Leo O'Connor Jr
@LeoOConnorJr
@ElectrifyAm you thought about adding some 20kW AC chargers at your sites so PHEVs can get a charge as fast as they are able?
10:30 AM · Apr 20, 2022·Twitter for iPhone
Ummm... which US market consumer PHEVs have OBCs above 8 kW let alone anywhere near 20 kW? I guess this guy is clueless about OBCs and max vehicle acceptance rates over J1772.
 
cwerdna said:
One of the most recent Bolt idiots claiming Leaf being a compliance car

I don't think it is too difficult to ID a compliance EV, and and the sales volume is only indirectly related

Start with a given that a manufacturer is unlikely to produce a model in volume that that has a negative margin. If the marginal profit is so because of regulatory capture then it is a compliance car, and sales volume will approximate the limit of the capture.

Said a bit differently, ask yourself if Nissan would be selling LEAF in volume in the USA if they did not have to offset ICE emissions.
 
Another example of several FB idiots was several were arguing that J1772 EVSEs are "chargers" and one was even arguing that the car's on-board charger isn't a charger. They were putting up dictionary definitions of stuff like chargers or components to justify their definitions.

By some of their whacky arguments as to what's needed to charge, the cable itself could be a "charger".

Didn't matter that SAE definitions were presented to them about https://web.archive.org/web/20150604142825/http://www.sae.org/smartgrid/chargingprimer.pdf or at https://insideevs.com/photo/3957372/electric-vehicle-charging-levels-explained/.
 
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