2013-2014 bar losers and capacity losses

Stumpeter said:

Hi, this is probably covered elsewhere but I've been unable to find it. My October 2013 Leaf is now at 9 bars, which is fine as it's basically a shopping trolley, but as it's approximately 75% capacity, when I charge to 80%, is it 80% of the original 100% or 80% of the now 75%.? It shows a range of 90km when charged to 80%, and another 15km if I occasionally charge to 100% (eco mode). As the battery is now degraded, would charging it to 100% frequently do any extra harm, or should I keep charging to 80% for the foreseeable future to preserve it as much as possible? Thanks.

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80% of the now 75% of new
Yes, keep charging to 80% if that is enough for your usage.

My 2013 LEAF is in similar condition and I mostly charge to 80%, although I am more lax in the winter.

I've been expecting bar 11 to drop from my 2013 for the past year. At this point, I'm pleasantly surprised every day it doesn't happen!

Yesterday LeafSpy said ODO 73,151 AHr 52.3 SOH 80.0 Hx 71.5 Is the increasing difference between SOH and Hx typical over time? When I first got the car five years ago, the delta there was only a couple percent.

It's not unusual. Go Wolf Pack!

LeftieBiker said:

It's not unusual. Go Wolf Pack!

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I'm not complaining. For practical purposes, the car is as useful as when I got it, which means I can still get from my home in Ballard (Seattle) to Issaquah High School and trailheads and other attractions near there without too much attention to my speed on the freeway, meaning I stay below 60 mostly. I think regenerative braking may be getting slightly weaker, though.

The acid test is whether I can get from my house to the Powerhouse kayak run below Snoqualmie Falls without stopping at UW for a brief charge. It's about 74 miles and not TOO hilly. I haven't been kayaking there in the last couple of years, but a friend just got a new C-1 and wants to play with it there, so maybe in the next few weeks...

At https://www.facebook.com/groups/nissan.leaf.owners.group/posts/8489602521110514/, one guy has a 5/2013 built '13 SL w/premium package (saw the Bose stereo) in Apache Junction, AZ for sale (looks east of Phoenix, Mesa and Chandler). Has 78K miles and is at 5 capacity bars left. He mentions 44 miles on the GOM but thankfully he put up a pic showing the capacity bars. He's asking for $5K.

Not surprised about the capacity loss given the crazy summer temps in AZ.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/NissanLeafOwners/posts/6340752486022687/ is probably the worst '13 I've seen. It's a 9 bar loser, so 3 bars left. It's in Hawaii. Guy claims he paid $500 for it.

Now that's one luxurious, FAST golf cart.

cwerdna said:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/NissanLeafOwners/posts/6340752486022687/ is probably the worst '13 I've seen. It's a 9 bar loser, so 3 bars left. It's in Hawaii. Guy claims he paid $500 for it.

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https://www.facebook.com/groups/NissanLeafOwners/posts/6360376957393573/ is another post from the same guy. His SOH is 32.00% and Hx is 32.23% with only 49K miles on the clock.

cwerdna said:

cwerdna said:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/NissanLeafOwners/posts/6340752486022687/ is probably the worst '13 I've seen. It's a 9 bar loser, so 3 bars left. It's in Hawaii. Guy claims he paid $500 for it.

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https://www.facebook.com/groups/NissanLeafOwners/posts/6360376957393573/ is another post from the same guy. His SOH is 32.00% and Hx is 32.23% with only 49K miles on the clock.

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At this point, doesn't it make more sense to do a battery swap? At 32% SOH, isn't the range only 27 miles?!

https://www.facebook.com/groups/Nissan.LEAF.Worldwide/posts/1241557853175527/ (private group unfortunately) has a guy in FL who said he bought a '14 Leaf. It's showing 6 capacity bars at 94K miles.

Well, I am about to loose the first bar on my 2014 Leaf anytime now I guess. SOH reads 86.25% so almost there. Car has done 113K kilometers which should be around 70K miles. To be honest, I had expected it to happen a couple of years ago - but it has held up well.

9 years on full bars! Fantastic

https://www.facebook.com/groups/NissanLeafOwners/posts/6507018809396053/ has up for sale a '13 Leaf with 77.5K miles and only 3 capacity bars left, so it's a 9 bar loser. It looks like an SV w/no premium package and is in kinda rough shape.

Just noticed that I lost my 3rd bar, right around the 10 year anniversary of manufacture (door says 9/13). My first bar (15% capacity loss) took 3.5 years/51k miles, 2nd (6.25% more) took 2.5 years/32k miles, and the 3rd (also 6.25% more) took almost 4 years/27k miles. I bet the 3rd probably lasted for a longer time since we got a Model 3 in 2018 and it has taken the lion share of the electric driving in the last 5 years. Number of charges to 100% have increased a bit over the years due to lower range, but still target 80% normally.

MY13 (took delivery 10/13)
Location: Northern Colorado
Date of loss: 9/5/23
Mileage at loss: 110390
AHr: 47.35
SOH: 72.4%
Hx: 57.22
L1/L2 charges: 7554
QC: 81

We have a 2014 SV, which we've owned for 2 years and 10K miles (63,xxx miles when we bought it and just passed 73K miles last weekend).
It had 11 bars when we bought it and still has 11 bars. I've never owned a cell phone so haven't bothered with LeafSpy or investigating the SOH further. For our use pattern, with my wife commuting about 16.5 miles to work where she has free L2 charging, the Leaf will be fine for us even if it loses range.

Just in case you don't realize: you don't need a cell phone with cell service. You only need a cheap Android phone with Bluetooth.

My July 2013 car just lost bar 11 at almost exactly 80,000 miles. I'd been expecting it to go for over a year, so no complaints!

BuckMkII said:

My July 2013 car just lost bar 11 at almost exactly 80,000 miles. I'd been expecting it to go for over a year, so no complaints!

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So just to clarify ... Does this now make your car a 3-bar Leaf with less than 20 miles of range? Or a 10-bar Leaf with over ~50 miles of range?

Edit: I see you're in Seattle, so the latter seems highly possible for you, whereas the former would be more likely for those in the warmer climates.

NEVER MIND! just realized that yours would've been 1-bar if I would just do the math right, which isn't likely. Please ignore!

If I drive to work (steep downhill first quarter mile, nearly flat six miles, very slight uphill last 200 yards) and charge to 100%, my GOM usually reads about 86 miles. Some day I'd like to get on I-5 and drive north on cruise control for 42 miles at 47 MPH and see if I can actually achieve that range. A bit of a waste of time, but shortly before the turn-around point there's a casino and a Cabela's, so one could go inside one or the other to gawk as a bit of cultural anthropology. Maybe take a coworker from Europe who's never seen such things.

The real answer is in my sig file, of course.

My 2011 leaf w/warranty replaced 2015 battery is currently at 11 bars (82% SOH). Still driving great.

Wish I could upgrade to a larger capacity battery. The 20% range loss is annoying, but watching all the new EV's while my effective highway range is ~50 miles is meh. I'd love to just cruise @ 75mph on the highway instead of taking side roads for my longer trips.

Saw a 2022 SV Leaf for 17k near me on a dealer lot. With the rebate, that'd be around 10k, which would be a hella good deal...