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Well, https://usa.nissannews.com/en-US/releases/nissan-debuts-2023-leaf-featuring-revised-exterior-and-streamlined-model-lineup-on-sale-this-summer did say 60 kWh. I agree about the above possibility, by why the sudden departure/change?

I wonder what the EPA ranges will be? The 2023 SV Plus ends up having a significantly lower EPA range rating than the 2022 SV Plus, I wonder if Nissan will answer our FAQ on this.
 
Like cwerdna mentioned, the press release shows 60 kWh and the footnotes show the estimated EPA range for the SV Plus as 215 miles, which is unchanged from the 2022 model year for that trim.

The press release also mentions:

the shapes of the tire deflectors at all four corners, rear under diffuser and rear spoiler have all been modified for better aerodynamics.

So, I guess Nissan tweaked the aerodynamics to perfectly offset the range loss that would otherwise result from a smaller battery pack.
 
There are some videos from the NY show up too.

60kWh and 212 range looks to be the new Plus specs.

Very curious if the reduction in battery mass for the same pack size helps it cool faster.

Also interesting is that msrp is expected to go down for the 23.
 
Either my vision is going or it is nearly impossible to discern any difference in the rear spoiler styling.
 
It's waaay different :) I think just the angle of the spoiler changed.

I wonder if the battery reduction is to help provide more distance between Leaf and Ariya as well.as a greater price gap.
 
I noticed today that at https://usa.nissannews.com/en-US/channels/2023-nissan-leaf there's a June 16, 2022 press kit entry that leads to https://usa.nissannews.com/en-US/releases/release-4eda35dfd61f8a41b0b1418dcc2cc261-2023-nissan-leaf-press-kit. On the right side there are some PDFs.

Bottom of 2 of the PDFs on the right mention up to 212 mile EPA range rating on SV Plus.

The SV Plus being 60 kWh is mentioned a bunch of times.
 
The SVP is the obvious choice, but such a large price increase over the standard model. At $35,800 plus destination charge, it's getting up there - that's a lot of money for an economy car. They have poured all their options into it though.
With shipping and tax it's forty thousand - we can get $9500 in rebates and tax credits, so pretty close to $31,000.

I would like to drive both SVplus and Bolt EV, decide from there. The Bolt is right exactly about the same price, perhaps even a bit less.

The standard model with 149 mile range presents the potential for regrets down the road - add on some degradation and some cold temps and realistically it could be closer to 100 miles. :roll:

I'm on the fence...
 
Keep in mind the MSRP of '21 SV Plus was $40.5K before dest charge (https://usa.nissannews.com/en-US/releases/2021-nissan-leaf-press-kit). '22 saw a MSRP drop.
 
cwerdna said:
Keep in mind the MSRP of '21 SV Plus was $40.5K before dest charge (https://usa.nissannews.com/en-US/releases/2021-nissan-leaf-press-kit). '22 saw a MSRP drop.

Why? That is no longer relevant.
 
CJBROWN said:
cwerdna said:
Keep in mind the MSRP of '21 SV Plus was $40.5K before dest charge (https://usa.nissannews.com/en-US/releases/2021-nissan-leaf-press-kit). '22 saw a MSRP drop.

Why? That is no longer relevant.
It is. It's still just as much of an "econobox" but at least the MSRP dropped a lot.

It also factors into used Leaf pricing. See https://mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=31419&p=611713&hilit=auction+closing#p611713.
 
alozzy said:
CHADEMO is going to make the 2023 LEAF a harder sell.

As has always been the case, it will depend on the region, as well as the intended use for the car. It's already a bad idea to buy a Leaf for extended road trips.
 
In a normal time I would agree. Right now, you can't get any ev close to msrp, unless you are waiting a year for delivery.

Nissan could easily sell 5k Leafs a month right now if they could actually make that many.
 
LeftieBiker said:
alozzy said:
CHADEMO is going to make the 2023 LEAF a harder sell.

As has always been the case, it will depend on the region, as well as the intended use for the car. It's already a bad idea to buy a Leaf for extended road trips.

Not sure that's true anymore. Existing CHADEMO chargers seem to get no love when there are issues, often left broken for weeks. New DC fast charging stations invariably have more CCS than CHADEMO, if they even bother to provide the latter. It's bad enough now, only going to get worse...
 
I meant that some intended uses include no fast charging, or only doing it rarely. I haven't DCFCd my car once, and neither has my housemate hers. Once you've realized that you have to not need QC in order to acquire a Leaf, then the importance of the Chademo network fades. I'm not sure what percentage of the driving population actually does long road trips. Of the people we know, only one would be advised not to get a Leaf for that reason.
 
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