WetEV wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 9:31 pm
GRA wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 5:43 pm
WetEV wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 5:25 pm
LOL. 120 years ago, "gas stations" were cheap and reliable. Gasoline was expensive, however, adjusted for inflation. $0.20 a gallon or so. Gasoline was sold in 5 gallon cans. Cheap. Reliable. Still used today, for remote delivery. Hydrogen has no analog. Hydrogen is expensive fuel delivered by unreliable and very expensive equipment.
Actually, I meant to write 110 years ago.
So? A "hydrogen can" doesn't exist. Gas infrastructure started cheap and reliable, not at all like hydrogen.
And you are still wrong.
Hydrogen production is still almost all from fossil fuels. Hydrogen production will be mostly from fossil fuels for more than a decade, right?
No, gas infrastructure didn't start cheap and reliable, because you never knew if the store had any (deliveries being what they were outside of major cities, as no paved roads existed outside of them. How far you were from a rail line determined how reliable deliveries were), and as I noted the quality was highly variable (gas was typically only about 50-60 octane in any case at the time, although use of an octane rating didn't come in until some years later). The proliferation of branded gas stations owned/franchised by oil companies is what made gas cheap and reliable, as they had competition and a rep to uphold.
But for a long time, the infrastructure was seriously lacking outside of major urban areas, just as it is now for H2 and to a lesser but still large extent for charging. Most rural areas lack charging competition and see only occasional use, and unlike gas stations there's still no profit to be had without construction and/or operating subsidies.
For transportation use, H2 production will be increasingly non-fossil-fueled as governments e.g. California demand that. Which is why, although California required first 33 1/3rd and more recently 40% renewable H2 for retail H2 stations, we're actually achieving 90%+. Ever tightening renewable H2 requirements will be the norm here and elsewhere, just as they will be for industrial and other uses.