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kmcmahan said:
This is why I bought a Leaf now. I found a used 2017 Leaf S with a 40 KWH battery pack replaced under warranty by Nissan (replaced the week before I bought it). Finally I have a Leaf that I can Drive into town and back without recharging (50 miles each way). The price of the car was probably less that what I would have had to pay outright for a new 40 KWH battery pack.

Awesome. That is one Leaf sweet spot for sure. After an hour test drive in a Model Y in Nashville a few weeks ago clearly that's now my dream EV.

That being said our 2016 SL with 12K miles on the new 2020 40 kWh battery pack should get us into 2025+ driving a quality low cost EV. By then Tesla should have a one peice casting with FSD which I may require at age 75 when I have to renew my driver's license.

Enjoy your new 40 kWh battery pack range.
 
cwerdna said:
Thanks. Found https://usa.nissannews.com/en-US/releases/release-b20ed58322d84ca29dd7c4b00900ab3a-nissan-group-reports-first-quarter-2021-us-sales. Bolt is just creaming Leaf in US sales.

For Q1 2021, it was 2,925 Leaf vs. 9,025 Bolt, which I posted at https://mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?p=601758#p601758.

Its all about price and Bolts are going for less which helps with people who don't qualify for the full tax credit. Its funny because I know someone who got a Bolt for same price that he could have gotten a LEAF for after saying several times he preferred the LEAF more and I "know" he makes enough to qualify for full tax credit but claimed the Bolt was "thousands cheaper" which was not the case but either way, its still good but still shocks me at how uninformed most buyers are?

He also got a zero interest loan from GMC (I think) . He put a good chunk down "probably" just over $5 K based on the ad he showed me a few weeks ago.
 
Yeah, for even money, depending on your needs, I could see getting a Bolt. Supposedly the new seats on the 22 model are much improved. The charging rate, which everyone complains about in youtube blogs, I think is not much of an issue.
 
DougWantsALeaf said:
Yeah, for even money, depending on your needs, I could see getting a Bolt. Supposedly the new seats on the 22 model are much improved. The charging rate, which everyone complains about in youtube blogs, I think is not much of an issue.

If leasing maybe? but after experiencing 100 kw charging, I have to disagree. Better than 50 kw charging might not be common place in some areas but that is changing rapidly and I still consider it to be one of the biggest fails of the Bolt. Makes me wonder after the fire issues, why Chevy didn't do the obvious speed bump this year? Its all very suspicious.
 
I have never used QC for anything but normal charging, and because it was free for two years. I thought about taking a trip North and using DCFC to extend it, but it never happened, and now my health makes it too difficult and even risky. I'm willing to lease a Bolt with no DCFC port for this reason. The car will essentially be a 235 mile range local hauler and second EV. Put me in one for less than $150 month, with little or nothing down, in August, and I'll do it. I may even do it in preference to a Leaf S even though I much prefer driving a Leaf, because as I recall the Bolt's cargo area has better access, and is equally large if the back seats (which I rarely use) are folded. It's also my understanding that they quietly fixed the seat issue in '19 or '20.
 
If you dont need the back seats, I would say see if you can land a 22 Bolt (not EUV) for a cheap lease late in the year. Supposedly they are more for fleet vehicles, so consumer demand may be low (with most going for the EUV), and hence deals coming up quickly. With seats down, the Bolt cargo space is very good.
 
DaveinOlyWA said:
Its all about price and Bolts are going for less which helps with people who don't qualify for the full tax credit. Its funny because I know someone who got a Bolt for same price that he could have gotten a LEAF for after saying several times he preferred the LEAF more and I "know" he makes enough to qualify for full tax credit but claimed the Bolt was "thousands cheaper" which was not the case but either way, its still good but still shocks me at how uninformed most buyers are?

He also got a zero interest loan from GMC (I think) . He put a good chunk down "probably" just over $5 K based on the ad he showed me a few weeks ago.
Yeah, he's a really uninformed buyer if he puts a big chunk down on a zero interest loan. I would put nothing down.

LeftieBiker said:
I'm willing to lease a Bolt with no DCFC port for this reason. The car will essentially be a 235 mile range local hauler and second EV. Put me in one for less than $150 month, with little or nothing down, in August, and I'll do it. I may even do it in preference to a Leaf S even though I much prefer driving a Leaf, because as I recall the Bolt's cargo area has better access, and is equally large if the back seats (which I rarely use) are folded. It's also my understanding that they quietly fixed the seat issue in '19 or '20.
Do you have a Costco membership? If not, I would recommend signing up this month because you can get a $3000 rebate when buying or leasing a Bolt. You have to be a member for at least a month before the new promotion period starts.

https://slickdeals.net/f/14894620-2021-chevy-bolt-for-4600-one-pay-in-california-4600?src=SiteSearchV2Algo1

https://slickdeals.net/f/14900494-2020-chevy-bolt-premier-one-pay-4850-in-new-york-ymmv?src=SiteSearchV2Algo1
 
Triggerhappy007 said:
Do you have a Costco membership? If not, I would recommend signing up this month because you can get a $3000 rebate when buying or leasing a Bolt. You have to be a member for at least a month before the new promotion period starts.
I've also seen some Costco deals that require 3 months of membership. I think it's a YMMV
 
Oh, MAN...shame I live in NY.

EDIT: their website shows no sign of this deal.Looking at the fine print, though, you have to live in VT and have Green Mountain Power as your provider.
 
Over 4700 Leafs sold in Europe in March (just March). Just under ID3. ID3, as more info comes out, appears to be just ok.. Besides a better charging curve, and TMS (which for many don't ever matter), not much else to prevent sales loss to the the Leaf's price differential.

https://ev-sales.blogspot.com/2021/04/europe-march-2021.html?m=1

More widely though, I think Tesla's continued evolution of its product combined with problems and stagnation of Kona and Zoe seem to show a widening gap.


Leaf is also leading sales in Colorado:
https://www.coloradopolitics.com/colorados-top-selling-used-evs/article_f2cb3eee-a74d-11eb-b21f-8fce842f55c2.html
 
A not too shabby 7500 Leafs sold globally in March. 7ths overall for EVs.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/cleantechnica.com/2021/05/01/tesla-siblings-wuling-mini-ev-shine-in-hot-ev-market-global-ev-sales-report/amp/
 
Leaf is down to 20K Euros in some places now. https://www.explica.co/offer-nissan-leaf-electric-for-e-21500.html

Leaf still dominating Ukraine EV sales. :)

https://open4business.com.ua/most-popular-electric-cars-in-ukraine-in-jan-apr-are-nissan-leaf-tesla-model-3-and-chevrolet-bolt/
 
https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/you-can-now-lease-a-nissan-leaf-for-less-than-a-dollar/

I never knew half of USA Nissan dealerships were not cash flowing until January 2020 when my 2016 Leaf SL battery pack triggered the warranty at 25K miles. One upside to running products into the ground is that for 15 years some thought my 1986.5 Hardbody PU was new when I would get it out and drive it.

When they sold most of their EV battery manufacturing interest concerned me as far as their long term EV interest.

I do think this dealer shows creativity in moving 2 aging lines of products from his dealership.
 
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