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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Sun Apr 04, 2021 10:48 am

Apr 1, 2021 update. 281 GID's, SOH=77.43%, Hx=50.33%. 856134 total miles, 41205 miles on new battery, 145 L3 total, 31 on new battery, 1728 total, 854 on new battery. I only drove about 700 miles last month and the stats have barely changed. Still waiting for the next bar to drop. This battery is holding up much better than the first one. I have nearly as many miles on this battery as I did on the first one and I still have about 24 KWH of battery left. At this rate, I'll hit 100,000 miles just before the battery hits the warranty limit. I just found out that the $2000 California CVRP may be ending soon. If so, do I wait and see if they reinstate the Federal rebate or buy now to capture the State rebate before it expires? The Leaf will do for now but It probably won't work for me if Covid restrictions are lifted and we get back to normal. If the battery was replaced under warranty, I could get a couple of more years out of it. If it got the 40 KWH battery as a replacement, I could drive it for as much as 4 more years. With out a warranty replacement though, I'll need a new car by next year at the latest and I might be better off just to bite the bullet now and buy a new car.
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Sat May 01, 2021 3:09 pm

May 1, 2021 update. 281 GID's, SOH=77.39%, Hx=50.28%. 86870 total miles, 41941 miles on new battery, 145 L3 total, 31 on new battery, 1752 total, 878 on new battery. Finally dropped the second bar. At this rate, i'll hit the third bar at about 97000 mi. So probably no third battery for me. Seems to me that I'll just have to wait for Biden's EV rebate plan to come through and buy a new car then. Tesla is still in the lead but I should have a lot more options by next year. Neither the Volkswagen nor the Mustang seem to be a good fit for me and the M3 SR+ costs less for about the same range and better software. A Model Y is a bit more appealing due to the hatchback and extended range but is more expensive. If I buy the extended range version, Y beats 3 due to the hatchback and only a few thousand dollars more in cost.
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Sat May 01, 2021 4:17 pm

johnlocke wrote:
Sat May 01, 2021 3:09 pm
A Model Y is a bit more appealing due to the hatchback and extended range but is more expensive. If I buy the extended range version, Y beats 3 due to the hatchback and only a few thousand dollars more in cost.
My plan to buy a Model Y when they hit 400 mile range was put into doubt after a test drive. due to poor rear visibility. I hope it gets redesigned.
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
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Two years in Colorado, now in NM
03/18: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/18: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Sat May 01, 2021 11:15 pm

SageBrush wrote:
Sat May 01, 2021 4:17 pm
johnlocke wrote:
Sat May 01, 2021 3:09 pm
A Model Y is a bit more appealing due to the hatchback and extended range but is more expensive. If I buy the extended range version, Y beats 3 due to the hatchback and only a few thousand dollars more in cost.
My plan to buy a Model Y when they hit 400 mile range was put into doubt after a test drive. due to poor rear visibility. I hope it gets redesigned.
rear window is indeed small, but not an issue when backing up (due to rear-view camera) - unless you're worried about tree branches? But then don't all new vehicles have rather small rear windows now?
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Sun May 02, 2021 1:01 am

^^^ Haven't sat in or driven a Model Y, but I imagine it's due to the shallow slope of the rear hatch window, which narrows the effective height of the vertical aperture, combined with rear seat headrests which block much of the bottom part of the view.

It's a decision made for aero or looks. I can't stand cars with crappy rear views for those reasons. Some like the Prius try to make it better by providing a small lower vertical window section below a frame. I don't find those improve things much, plus it defeats the purpose of a cargo cover, as people can just look into the cargo area from the back. Plus, the cargo area is exposed to more direct sunlight.

I sat in a gen 2 Volt and I don't recall the rear vis being too bad. OTOH, the Ionic had absolutely the worst rear vis of any car I've ever tried, like looking down a long low mine tunnel with most of the bottom two thirds filled with ore cars. Absolutely unacceptable to me. Cameras are great, but I don't want to be dependent on them.

Personally, I want the rear window to be sloped at least 45 deg., and preferably 60+. It's not as aerodynamic, but it improves the rear view as well as the usable vertical cargo height, which may allow you to choose a shorter, lighter car.
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Sun May 02, 2021 2:10 pm

Oils4AsphaultOnly wrote:
Sat May 01, 2021 11:15 pm
SageBrush wrote:
Sat May 01, 2021 4:17 pm
johnlocke wrote:
Sat May 01, 2021 3:09 pm
A Model Y is a bit more appealing due to the hatchback and extended range but is more expensive. If I buy the extended range version, Y beats 3 due to the hatchback and only a few thousand dollars more in cost.
My plan to buy a Model Y when they hit 400 mile range was put into doubt after a test drive. due to poor rear visibility. I hope it gets redesigned.
rear window is indeed small, but not an issue when backing up (due to rear-view camera) - unless you're worried about tree branches? But then don't all new vehicles have rather small rear windows now?
Backing up is not a problem - the front display is wonderful.
My problem is more a case of wanting to know what is behind me when I am driving, and the view then is restricted and *feels* inadequate. I've tried leaving the front display on rear-view in my Model 3 and it is an inferior solution for two reasons: the constant movement on the screen is a distraction; and second, the screen cannot be used for other purposes.

I'm hoping that Tesla implements rear and side camera displays on the front screen when the turning signal is on. That would certainly help.
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought Jan 2017 from N. California
Two years in Colorado, now in NM
03/18: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/18: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
09/20: 54.3 Ahr; 38k miles
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Mon May 03, 2021 8:35 am

SageBrush wrote:
Sun May 02, 2021 2:10 pm
I'm hoping that Tesla implements rear and side camera displays on the front screen when the turning signal is on. That would certainly help.
I'm hoping they add that, too. It was really nice when they added (via OTA) the side camera displays to the screen when in reverse.
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Tue May 04, 2021 9:37 pm

johnlocke wrote:
Sat May 01, 2021 3:09 pm
May 1, 2021 update. 281 GID's, SOH=77.39%, Hx=50.28%. 86870 total miles, 41941 miles on new battery, 145 L3 total, 31 on new battery, 1752 total, 878 on new battery. Finally dropped the second bar. At this rate, i'll hit the third bar at about 97000 mi. So probably no third battery for me. Seems to me that I'll just have to wait for Biden's EV rebate plan to come through and buy a new car then. Tesla is still in the lead but I should have a lot more options by next year. Neither the Volkswagen nor the Mustang seem to be a good fit for me and the M3 SR+ costs less for about the same range and better software. A Model Y is a bit more appealing due to the hatchback and extended range but is more expensive. If I buy the extended range version, Y beats 3 due to the hatchback and only a few thousand dollars more in cost.
Thanks for the update. A few weeks ago I got to test drive a Model Y in Nashville TN in rush hour traffic. Due to my Ankylosing Spondylitis I could not even get in a Model 3. I only went to see if I could fit in a Tesla but they are pushy about going for a test drive. Hopefully our 2016 SL with 12K miles on the new 40 KWA battery will last until the $25K??? Tesla is out for a test drive.

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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Wed May 05, 2021 9:51 am

GaleHawkins wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 9:37 pm
johnlocke wrote:
Sat May 01, 2021 3:09 pm
May 1, 2021 update. 281 GID's, SOH=77.39%, Hx=50.28%. 86870 total miles, 41941 miles on new battery, 145 L3 total, 31 on new battery, 1752 total, 878 on new battery. Finally dropped the second bar. At this rate, i'll hit the third bar at about 97000 mi. So probably no third battery for me. Seems to me that I'll just have to wait for Biden's EV rebate plan to come through and buy a new car then. Tesla is still in the lead but I should have a lot more options by next year. Neither the Volkswagen nor the Mustang seem to be a good fit for me and the M3 SR+ costs less for about the same range and better software. A Model Y is a bit more appealing due to the hatchback and extended range but is more expensive. If I buy the extended range version, Y beats 3 due to the hatchback and only a few thousand dollars more in cost.
Thanks for the update. A few weeks ago I got to test drive a Model Y in Nashville TN in rush hour traffic. Due to my Ankylosing Spondylitis I could not even get in a Model 3. I only went to see if I could fit in a Tesla but they are pushy about going for a test drive. Hopefully our 2016 SL with 12K miles on the new 40 KWA battery will last until the $25K??? Tesla is out for a test drive.
The $25K Tesla might end up being a compact hatchback (based on sketches a year ago), so not sure if your Ankylosing Spondylitis would factor against it?

Edit: There's also an "easy entry" driver profile in Tesla's that facilitates getting into the driver seat. You have to click the checkbox in your driver profile to enable that feature. It lowers the seat and tilts the seat back.
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Wed May 05, 2021 12:04 pm

Oils4AsphaultOnly wrote:
Wed May 05, 2021 9:51 am

Edit: There's also an "easy entry" driver profile in Tesla's that facilitates getting into the driver seat. You have to click the checkbox in your driver profile to enable that feature. It lowers the seat and tilts the seat back.
It's an awesome feature
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought Jan 2017 from N. California
Two years in Colorado, now in NM
03/18: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/18: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
09/20: 54.3 Ahr; 38k miles
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