SBCLeaf
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FOR SALE: 2020 Leaf S Plus 62 kWh - 2,975 miles - SOH 96%

Thu Mar 11, 2021 11:04 am

I am in the Los Angeles / Inland Empire area. I bought a 2020 Leaf S Plus in October 2020 with the intention to use if for my daily commute when things got back to "normal." Unfortunately, the nature of my work has changed since then so that having a purely electric car isn't working out very well. Unfortunately I have to go back to a plug-in hybrid so I can mobilize for long distance travel on short notice.

ODOMETER: 2,975
COLOR: Glacier White
INTERIOR: Black
BATTERY: 62 kWh
TITLE: Clean (I have the pink slip)

The odometer is at 2,975 miles today. There isn't even a scratch on the paint anywhere or any wear and tear or damage to the interior. The tires even still have the extra bits from when they were cast.

Kelly Blue book reports a private party value of around $25,000, so I suppose I will start there.
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SageBrush
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Re: FOR SALE: 2020 Leaf S Plus 62 kWh - 2,975 miles - SOH 96%

Thu Mar 11, 2021 12:38 pm

I'm going to talk with my wife to see if she would like to make an offer for your car, although to be fair I should say that I will take into the account the discount you received off MSRP and the tax credits you received.

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A couple of questions:
1. Did you resolve the fuzzy rear camera issue ?
2. Has anybody smoked in the car ?

Thanks
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Bought Jan 2017 from N. California
Two years in Colorado, now in NM
03/18: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/18: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
09/20: 54.3 Ahr; 38k miles
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SBCLeaf
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Re: FOR SALE: 2020 Leaf S Plus 62 kWh - 2,975 miles - SOH 96%

Thu Mar 11, 2021 12:46 pm

I already have an offer of $23,000 from Carvana, so that would be my lower limit. I just figured they were going to turn around and sell it for at least $26,000, so I'd try offering it private party so someone could pay a little less and I could earn a little more. The car cost $35,000 OTD. I have the sales contract. Unfortunately, I don't qualify for the full $7,500 federal credit, so I only received $5404. It's a dirty secret that if you have kids in college and claim the Lifetime Learning credit for them, they deduct that credit amount from your $7,500 electric car rebate.
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SageBrush
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Re: FOR SALE: 2020 Leaf S Plus 62 kWh - 2,975 miles - SOH 96%

Thu Mar 11, 2021 1:10 pm

Carvana tops my offer.

Cheers !
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought Jan 2017 from N. California
Two years in Colorado, now in NM
03/18: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/18: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
09/20: 54.3 Ahr; 38k miles
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SBCLeaf
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Re: FOR SALE: 2020 Leaf S Plus 62 kWh - 2,975 miles - SOH 96%

Thu Mar 11, 2021 1:12 pm

No problem. Thanks for looking, and good luck in your search.
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DougWantsALeaf
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Re: FOR SALE: 2020 Leaf S Plus 62 kWh - 2,975 miles - SOH 96%

Thu Mar 11, 2021 1:16 pm

Carvana (at least in the midwest) sells their few available Plus models before they even have a chance to get listed. It's pretty crazy given how inexpensive the cars are new.

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Re: FOR SALE: 2020 Leaf S Plus 62 kWh - 2,975 miles - SOH 96%

Thu Mar 11, 2021 1:56 pm

Interesting. I bet they're transporting them to where they're more profitable to sell. The dealers were giving pretty good discounts. The MSRP for the S Plus is $38,690 but back in October they offered $6,000 dealer discount, but in California you have to pay tax on the full amount before dealer cash back. That put the OTD price at close to $36,000. Even if I could have received the full $7,500 Federal credit I would be at $28,500 out of pocket. I can't do the California rebate because you have to keep the car for 20 months to qualify.

Are the dealers offering steeper discounts now?

One thing for private buyers to keep in mind is that if they're buying from a private party the prices don't compare to buying from a dealer. If you buy the car from me for $25,000, you pay $25,000. If you buy the car from a dealer or Carmax for $25,000 and you live in Long Beach (for example) you're going to pay $27,562.50 because of sales tax. $25,000 private party is the equivalent of paying $23,675 at a dealer or Carmax.
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Re: FOR SALE: 2020 Leaf S Plus 62 kWh - 2,975 miles - SOH 96%

Thu Mar 11, 2021 2:44 pm

the tax depends on where you live, here in WA it would not make any difference if you buy private party or dealer, as you pay sales tax on it at the dealer or when you register the car as private party buyer at the DMV.

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Re: FOR SALE: 2020 Leaf S Plus 62 kWh - 2,975 miles - SOH 96%

Thu Mar 11, 2021 3:06 pm

estomax wrote:
Thu Mar 11, 2021 2:44 pm
the tax depends on where you live, here in WA it would not make any difference if you buy private party or dealer, as you pay sales tax on it at the dealer or when you register the car as private party buyer at the DMV.
That's how it is in New York as well.
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Re: FOR SALE: 2020 Leaf S Plus 62 kWh - 2,975 miles - SOH 96%

Thu Mar 11, 2021 4:06 pm

estomax wrote:
Thu Mar 11, 2021 2:44 pm
the tax depends on where you live, here in WA it would not make any difference if you buy private party or dealer, as you pay sales tax on it at the dealer or when you register the car as private party buyer at the DMV.
Same where I live. There are states that let *dealerships* calculate sales tax on the difference in price between the new car and a trade-in but that obviously does not apply to a private sale.

OP: I realize that you collected less than the maximum possible tax credits but if your potential buyers are x-shopping your car with a new car where they are eligible for full tax credits, that is the discount they will use in deciding whether to buy your car. In the same vein, if Nissan is offering $9k off MSRP now, that will affect your sales price to the same degree. It is not how much you paid for the car, it is how much competing choices are going for. I used your stated discounts as a short-hand for new car prices. You also take a depreciation hit, and your buyer does not care how much sales tax you paid.

e.g.,
https://www.tonkinwilsonvillenissan.com ... e=cars.com

You are getting a front row view why dumping a recently bought new car is so expensive. If I were you I would accept that Carvana offer yesterday.
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought Jan 2017 from N. California
Two years in Colorado, now in NM
03/18: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/18: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
09/20: 54.3 Ahr; 38k miles
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