Why would anyone buy a nissan leaf right now???

jpadc said:

Well, on the topic of buying a used LEAF... every now and again I like to shop for them just to see what's out there. More and more of the used ones seem to be picked up by (a.k.a being dumped by) Carrvana).

Today I found this 2013 LEAF SV for sale there with ~64K for $7590.

Now I've never seen a LEAF with only 6 bars left for sale until this one.[img=https://cdnblob.fastly.carvana.io/2000764427/pre/original/2000764427-manual-13.jpg?dpr=2&width=2000&v=2020-12-02T15:33:08.327Z][/img] The Carfax raves that the last owner drove less the 4000 miles a year. I was thinking that at about 30 miles a charge, it would take some time to get 4000 miles on that car.

Anyway, the only up with Carvana is that at least an unsuspecting buyer might figure out in the 7 day return period that the car they just bought will not go far from home. Anyone want to chime in on what they think the car is really worth?

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There's a sucker born every minute. It's just like my '13 Leaf SV in terms of equipment (no CHAdeMO but has the premium package). However, I'm still at 11 capacity bars (SOH around 79.xx%) and have about 68.2K miles. Wow. From the Carfax, it was built 5/31/2013 so it has the same built month as mine (mine was built 5/23/2013). I guess the previous drivers didn't take good care of the battery.

That's a crazy high price. At this point, I'd be happy if I got $6K for my car. I tried submitting mine to Carvana for a quote on 11/28/20 and received an offer of $4,262 and I'd answered "pretty good" for their grade in terms of physical condition.

I'd say that car at Carvana is worth $4K or less since it's lost so much capacity. Carvana and most places seem to not factor in or have any clue about battery condition.

I found a 4 capacity bar left '11 Leaf at a Hon-duh dealer that I pointed to at https://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?p=552310#p552310.

It's just like my '13 Leaf SV in terms of equipment (no CHAdeMO but has the premium package).

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It has the QC Package. You have to click on "Show All" (options).

LeftieBiker said:

It's just like my '13 Leaf SV in terms of equipment (no CHAdeMO but has the premium package).

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It has the QC Package. You have to click on "Show All" (options).

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I didn't notice that until you mentioned it. I looked at the pics at https://www.carvana.com/vehicle/1607252. So, either the inlet pic is wrong (from another car) or the listing is wrong.

The listing also incorrectly says it has fog lights. The exterior pics of the front don't show any fog lights. From this, it seems Carvana doesn't know Leafs.

Typical. They also have a 2015 S with 11 bars for $10k. The first car would be a good second car for us, at the price I suggested.

LeftieBiker said:

Typical. They also have a 2015 S with 11 bars for $10k.

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It is a newer car, so it must be a lot better -- right ?

It has been obvious forever that the Carvanas et al of the world have absolutely no clue how to price EVs. It makes for an outstanding buying opportunity for informed EV buyers: high(er) mileage, old(er) EVs with batteries in good condition are **cheap**

Even before the GM 62 kWh Bolts were going up in flames a 2017 was under $20k. Now they are ~ $13 - $14k but I think that is the fire story. So far as I know, the battery has degraded little through the years.

Small battery LEAFs can also be excellent value if they meet the consumer's needs and are not in hott-ish climates. Our LEAF is 1/2 a car, only used for local duties but it cost $7,000 4 years ago and it will probably serve us well another 3 - 5 years. That works out to ~ $70 a month for the car, along with cheap fuel, cheap insurance, and cheap maintenance.

The smart money move would probably be to sell the LEAF for ~ $5,000 (and thereby end up having paid ~ $40 a month for the car) and buy a 2017/18 Bolt that would probably outlast however long my wife cared to drive it. Unfortunately, the fire stories have set her against the idea, even if we just let the car sit until its issues are resolved.

It is a newer car, so it must be a lot better -- right ?

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The 2015 Leaf has the best 24kwh battery Nissan ever made. At 11 bars it's actually not a bad value at $10k - unlike the 6 bar 2013.

LeftieBiker said:

The 2015 Leaf has the best 24kwh battery Nissan ever made.

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That is not saying much.

Put another way: place the 2015 in exactly the same conditions and usage as my LEAF built 10/2013 and come back in 4 years. How much do you think the interval degradation will differ ?

I'll guess less than 5 miles of range ... for $5,000. I'll pass

Leaf most searched for car in 2020.

https://cardealermagazine.co.uk/publish/top-20-most-searched-for-used-electric-cars-revealed-as-auto-trader-predicts-evs-will-overtake-combustion-models-by-2025/215015

Nice marketing video. Dave, do you know this couple from WA?

https://youtu.be/ukwHMsNg_kc

DougWantsALeaf said:

Nice marketing video. Dave, do you know this couple from WA?

https://youtu.be/ukwHMsNg_kc

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Nice video. Wasn't aware of any Florida deliveries in 2010. I only recall the 4 publicity events in WA, OR, Bay area and Southern CA. After that, the first deliveries started "around" the 5th of Jan in the LA, San Diego area. Its possible some picked their up a few days before but?

Anybody willing to pay 10K for a Leaf should be shopping on Carmax instead.

They frequently have 2017S with the 30 kWh battery for 9-10K, and they don't last long at that price, maybe a week or two at most.

https://www.carmax.com/car/19210289

Above 12-13K, Chevy Bolts are going for that much, recall be damned.

I missed this earlier in the week. Over 5k Leafs sold in Europe in December!

https://cleantechnica.com/2021/01/30/open-the-gates-23-plugin-vehicle-share-in-europe/

DougWantsALeaf said:

I missed this earlier in the week. Over 5k Leafs sold in Europe in December!

https://cleantechnica.com/2021/01/30/open-the-gates-23-plugin-vehicle-share-in-europe/

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... Which amounted to ~ 2% of the plug-in market sales for that time period

Woohoo !

Another award for the Leaf.

https://chademo.com/nissan-leaf-is-recognised-as-the-best-used-ev-in-uk-2/

Well, again, there is an impending and current battery shortage, it would seem.

Yet, if you can get:

1) Lease deal on 62 kWh Leafs (which are quite amazing in California for 2020s left over)

2) Buy a used one like me, and somehow find a battery, it's still a great deal.

Yesterday's numbers, noting that when I go 80 mph off and on, that drops in half.



Aloha!

jbsocdelica said:

Well, again, there is an impending and current battery shortage, it would seem.

Yet, if you can get:

1) Lease deal on 62 kWh Leafs (which are quite amazing in California for 2020s left over)

2) Buy a used one like me, and somehow find a battery, it's still a great deal.

Yesterday's numbers, noting that when I go 80 mph off and on, that drops in half.



Aloha!

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umm, was this post for the VW thread? :lol:

A salesman called me Friday and really wanted me to come look at the new ones yesterday. I finally said OK because I was curious to see if there were any significant changes. I told him and the sales manager that I would consider trading if they offered me something with all the options I want and similar monthly payments with nothing down. I test drove a 2021 and it seemed slower than mine. Seeing them side by side, I really like the looks of the one size larger tires I have on mine (215/55 R17 instead of 215/50 R17 original). A couple of differences I noticed: The 2021 has telescoping/tilt steering wheel and two USB ports in the dash below the navigation screen (mine has tilt wheel and one USB port).

They said there were lots of Nissan incentives on 2020 so I told them I would look at the numbers if they email me quotes (prefer 2021 and don't want one of either year that has been sitting on a lot for extended time). I am not expecting any "smoking deals" but will see. I told them I am happy with my 2019 and the only reason I stopped by was because they called me and really wanted me to come in. The SL Plus is still the best choice (of EV's available in AZ) for my use needs because the seats are comfortable and the hatchback gives enough cargo space to haul things.

GerryAZ said:

A couple of differences I noticed: The 2021 has telescoping/tilt steering wheel and two USB ports in the dash below the navigation screen (mine has tilt wheel and one USB port).

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Yup, they made those changes in the 2020 model year. I had a 2019 before and didn't realized they made the wheel telescoping until 2 months after ownership. Also I noticed there's a middle headrest in the back now and the rear door alert (which may be in some of the 2019s). I also noticed ProPilot Assist will nag you a few seconds later than before.

Leaf takes pole position in Ireland in Jan! Its still has some fight left. I wonder how much sales be now being influenced with the islands V2G rollout programs.

https://www.advertiser.ie/athlone/article/119907/nissan-leaf-remains-irelands-most-popular-electric-vehicle?cmpredirect

And Leaf doing well at -53C.

https://youtu.be/CiztWr4leRU

Leaf back in silver position in Norway in Feb.

https://elbilstatistikk.no/