Official Tesla Model 3 thread

DougWantsALeaf said:

Ok, I know I am asking for some potentially firey responses here, but what do the Tesla drivers here think of consuner reports review of full selfdriving? Does this reflect your experience? I only know of propilot and its limited use cases.

https://youtu.be/IQOf_F6hibk

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I think CR isn't out-of-line with their criticism, but I just disagree with it. There's no substitute for real world traffic data, and giving owners the option to be guinea pigs seems to be the perfect way to do it. Since autopilot has to be actively engaged, and the driver (via personal driving profiles) knows what he's opted in/out of, there is no additional risk from doing it this way. After all, a speeding/drunk driver is subjecting other drivers to much more involuntary risk than a non-speeding autopilot that occasionally misses stop signs (I'm not trying to be cavalier here).

When I engage autopilot on city streets, I become hyper-vigilant, because I'm actively choosing to add data to the system, not to become another statistic. I have never engaged autopilot on city streets unless it's to test the system. All my city driving is fairly short, and the current iteration of autopilot will disengage when you leave the highway, so there hasn't been a good opportunity to take advantage of autopilot for city driving. But giving the drivers the option to train the system, that's actually a smart move.

So is it worth $8000? Only if you don't want to pay $10,000 later when the robotaxi system goes online. The system is constantly collecting real world traffic data to better train autopilot, and constantly improves because of the amount of data that Tesla has access to. It's just a matter of "when" the system becomes capable enough to be truly FSD.

Can you live with basic autopilot only? Absolutely, basic autopilot is pretty capable as is, so choosing to forgo FSD can also be a good choice.

TIL about https://tech-tesla.weebly.com/ from https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/2nd-display.206016/#post-4978538.

I guess this is what's bound to happen when you have a car popular enough w/geeks and engineers. I've seen this w/Prius, Leaf and Model S. For ones that never achieve critical mass w/that audience, forget about it. I never found anyone who knew much about the Altima Hybrid nor any sort of projects like this.

Is this real or garbage??

https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEF3c8qluVo7CsVt8DV2aWPUqGQgEKhAIACoHCAowzuOICzCZ4ocDMPX1qQY?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen

^^^
Above points to:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-8764801/Tesla-hit-complete-network-outage-leaving-drivers-unable-connect-cars-using-mobile-app.html but the word HACK seems like clickbait...

Tesla drivers are locked out of their cars after Elon Musk's firm is hit with complete network outage and staff are blocked from processing orders - amid fears of possible HACK

Tesla has been hit by complete network outage starting around 11am ET
Internal systems are down, making it impossible for staff to process orders
On the customer side, some users cannot connect to their car in the app
The US and Europe are experiencing issues with what appears to be the app
The outage follows Tesla's Battery Day that many investors deemed a failure
Elon Musk had promised an innovation to cut prices of electric cars
However, the CEO said it may take another three years before that is possible
Stocks in Tesla Inc fell more than 10 percent Wednesday

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While Googling, I found these:
Tesla suffers complete network outage, internal systems and connectivity features down [Update: connectivity returning]
https://electrek.co/2020/09/23/tesla-suffers-complete-network-outage-internal-systems-and-connectivity-features-down/ - they're a known Tesla fanboy site, so I guess there's a decent chance the outage was legit

Tesla experienced an hour-long network outage early Wednesday
https://techcrunch.com/2020/09/23/tesla-experienced-an-hour-long-network-outage-early-wednesday/

Tesla suffers network outage disabling car owners’ mobile app
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/2020/09/23/tesla-suffers-network-outage-disabling-car-owners-mobile-app/3504689001/

I noticed a few threads w/updates from today by Googling for site:teslamotorsclub.com outage and limiting to past 24 hours like the below:
https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/is-the-tesla-app-server-down-again.167411/page-2
https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/app-connection-issues-anyone.201883/page-3
https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/unable-to-sign-into-app-or-tesla-account.207518/
https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/tesla-server-down.207517/page-4

I got a news notification on my phone of the alleged hack. I didn't follow it up.

DougWantsALeaf said:

Is this real or garbage??

https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEF3c8qluVo7CsVt8DV2aWPUqGQgEKhAIACoHCAowzuOICzCZ4ocDMPX1qQY?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen

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The network outage happened, but it's been sensationised. I had no problems accessing my car during that time (bluetooth based access, much like when you're out where there's no cell reception) and the keycard works without lte access. it's primarily an issue with initial app logins and processing payments/orders.

supercharging also worked (as far as i've read).

much ado about nothing for a 1 hr. outage.

The outage affected Tesla's auth servers, so even people with just Powerwalls were unable to access the status of those systems.

But, the outage was blown out of proportion by the media. Early reports said things like "people can't drive their cars", which is total B.S.

Oils4AsphaultOnly said:

DougWantsALeaf said:

Is this real or garbage??

https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEF3c8qluVo7CsVt8DV2aWPUqGQgEKhAIACoHCAowzuOICzCZ4ocDMPX1qQY?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen

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The network outage happened, but it's been sensationised. I had no problems accessing my car during that time (bluetooth based access, much like when you're out where there's no cell reception) and the keycard works without lte access. it's primarily an issue with initial app logins and processing payments/orders.

supercharging also worked (as far as i've read).

much ado about nothing for a 1 hr. outage.

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Yep -- much ado about nothing.

I encountered the outage because why wife was trying to login to the Tesla app and it gave her a black screen instead LOL
I told her to put it aside until today, and now it is fine.

Pretty big policy change.

https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEKnGcjxDkDANTYSGDPryy2AqGQgEKhAIACoHCAow7YuNCzDIzZ4DMJyEpgY?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen

So if the roof flies off as you're driving it home, does this mean that they're now going to hassle you about returning it?

Nope, you have to let them glue it back on with their mobile repair unit.

The Model 3 and Model X got range increases of 20 - 30 miles this week, I think related to use of Tesla's heat-pump/octavalve.
This is an efficiency improvement and not more battery capacity. It will come into play in winter when heating related losses have been most evident.

Model X LR+ now 371 miles
Model 3 SR+ now 263 miles
Model 3 LR/AWD now 353 miles

The increased EPA range is hard to understand at first blush since summer range is +/- unchanged. It occurs because Tesla uses the full 5 cycle EPA protocol which includes cold weather testing rather than the 2 cycle with a steep discount for untested conditions. My estimate is that the Model 3 LR/AWD now has 300 miles of all season* range at 65 - 70 mph.

Outstanding achievement. Oh yeah, and the Model 3 LR dropped in price too.

* Winnipeg and the artic respectfully excluded

Some neat graphs here on Tesla batteries under some longer term lab tests. Good results. Maybe stay clear of 250KW charging (3-4C), as that's the only place it looks choppy.

This validates slower charges and shallow discharges.

https://elbilstatistikk.no/

DougWantsALeaf said:

Some neat graphs here on Tesla batteries under some longer term lab tests. Good results. Maybe stay clear of 250kW/h charging (3-4C), as that's the only place it looks choppy.

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What's 250kW/h charging?

Watts are joules per second, so 1000 joules per second per hour makes no sense. Would be like saying miles per hour per hour.

Actually, "miles per hour per hour" is one way you could quantify acceleration - at least in the US.

LeftieBiker said:

Actually, "miles per hour per hour" is one way you could quantify acceleration - at least in the US.

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Doug is writing dP/dt
I have no idea what he is trying to say but it is not that

LeftieBiker said:

Actually, "miles per hour per hour" is one way you could quantify acceleration - at least in the US.

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True, now that I think about it.

As a co-worker and I discussed before, actually kW/h could make sense in the context of a power plant ramp up speed. If you had say a megawatt plant, how quickly could you ramp it up to 1 megawatt of output.

https://electrek.co/2020/10/19/tesla-admits-design-flaw-rear-bumper-falling-off-water/

Those with an M3, has Tesla issued any communication about the design flaw?

DougWantsALeaf said:

https://electrek.co/2020/10/19/tesla-admits-design-flaw-rear-bumper-falling-off-water/

Those with an M3, has Tesla issued any communication about the design flaw?

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Not yet. Just gonna have to not speed around water that's high enough to enter (~5" of standing water) - which last time I checked is just normal defensive driving.

DougWantsALeaf said:

https://electrek.co/2020/10/19/tesla-admits-design-flaw-rear-bumper-falling-off-water/

Those with an M3, has Tesla issued any communication about the design flaw?

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So it's a repair TSB, not a preventative one: https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/posts/5079217/

Which means they'll fix it under warranty, but don't feel that it warrants replacing every vehicle affected.