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GCC:
Phoenix Motorcars, EasyMile win grant for development of first FMVSS-compliant autonomous shuttle bus in US


https://www.greencarcongress.com/2020/09/20200921-phoenix.html


The city of Houston is set to receive the first Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards (FMVSS), Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA), and Buy America-compliant mid-size autonomous bus in the US.

Jointly developed by Phoenix Motorcars and EasyMile, the EZ Zeus self-driving bus will be deployed in real-life traffic conditions. Furthering its success in powering traditional medium-duty shuttles and trucks with its cutting-edge electric drivetrain technology, Phoenix Motorcars will integrate EasyMile’s driverless technology to its range of zero emission vehicles.

The news comes as part of Houston Metro being selected among projects to receive funding from the Federal Transit Administration (FTA) Accelerating Innovative Mobility (AIM) grant of nearly $1.5 million. It will develop an autonomous vehicle technology prototype for private or public roads at 12-15 mph in 12 months from launch date, with further operation for 12 months of testing.

The autonomous bus will serve Texas Southern University, the University of Houston, and Houston’s Third Ward community connecting to Metro buses and light rail. . . .
 
Waymo starts to open driverless ride-hailing service to the public
https://techcrunch.com/2020/10/08/waymo-starts-to-open-driverless-ride-hailing-service-to-the-public/
Waymo, the Google self-driving-project-turned-Alphabet unit, is beginning to open up its driverless ride-hailing service to the public.

The company said that starting today members of its Waymo One service will be able to take family and friends along on their fully driverless rides in the Phoenix area. Existing Waymo One members will have the first access to the driverless rides — terminology that means no human behind the wheel. However, the company said that in the next several weeks more people will be welcomed directly into the service through its app, which is available on Google Play and the App Store.

Waymo said that 100% of its rides will be fully driverless — which it has deemed its “rider only” mode. That 100% claim requires a bit of unpacking. The public shouldn’t expect hundreds of Waymo-branded Chrysler Pacifica minivans — no human behind the wheel — to suddenly inundate the entire 600-plus square miles of the greater Phoenix area.

Waymo has abut 600 vehicles in its fleet. About 300 to 400 of those are in the Phoenix area. Waymo wouldn’t share exact numbers of how many of these vehicles would be dedicated to driverless rides. However, Waymo CEO John Krafcik explained to TechCrunch in a recent interview, that there will be various modes operating in the Phoenix area. Some of these will be “rider only,” while other vehicles will still have train safety operators behind the wheel. Some of the fleet will also be used for testing.
 
Self-driving cars can be forced to brake by hijacked billboards
https://www.zdnet.com/article/self-driving-cars-can-be-forced-to-brake-by-hijacked-billboards/
Light projections spanning only a few frames and displayed on an electronic billboard could cause cars to "brake or swerve," security researcher Yisroel Mirsky told the publication, adding, "so somebody's car will just react, and they won't understand why."
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Tests were performed on a vehicle using Tesla's latest version of Autopilot, and MobileEye. According to Wired, a phantom stop sign appearing for 0.42 seconds fooled the Tesla, whereas only 1/8th of a second was enough to dupe MobileEye.
 
ABG:
GM Super Cruise beats Tesla Autopilot again in latest hands-free test

Autopilot is 'a distant second' but ahead of Ford's Co-Pilot 360, says Consumer Reports

https://www.autoblog.com/2020/10/28/tesla-autopilot-loses-gm-super-cruise-wins/


General Motors' Super Cruise once again edged Tesla's Autopilot in an evaluation of 17 vehicles equipped with active driving assistance systems (ADAS) by Consumer Reports, the testing organization said on Wednesday.

A Tesla Model Y fitted with Autopilot finished "a distant second," the group said, to a Cadillac CT6 equipped with Super Cruise, which GM is rolling out to more than 20 vehicles — including its new Hummer electric pickup truck — over the next three years.

Safety and insurance researchers have frequently warned of the risks of consumers overestimating ADAS systems' abilities, a misconception increased by some automakers calling their products Autopilot, ProPilot or Co-Pilot.

In 2018, the Cadillac CT6 with Super Cruise scored higher than a Tesla Model 3 with Autopilot, in a Consumer Reports test of just four vehicles equipped with ADAS.

In the latest test, conducted this summer on a track and on public roads, the Cadillac scored 69 points out of a possible 100, while the Tesla scored 57. A Lincoln Corsair equipped with Ford's Co-Pilot 360 system, finished third with 52.

The critical difference in the Super Cruise system is a driver-facing infrared camera to make sure he or she is paying attention to the road and is ready to take over manual control when necessary, said Kelly Funkhouser, head of connected and automated vehicle testing at Consumer Reports.

The group noted that Autopilot can shut off abruptly in some situations, while Super Cruise did a better job of notifying the driver when the system is disengaging.

In recent European safety testing, a Tesla Model 3 with Autopilot placed sixth out of 10 systems, getting high marks for performance and ability to respond to emergencies, but falling short on its ability to maintain a driver’s focus on the road.


Direct link to CR article:

https://www.consumerreports.org/car...orms-other-active-driving-assistance-systems/
 
WetEV said:
GaleHawkins said:
I see they over looked covering FSD but Tesla is the only player doing nation wide FSD at this point in time.

One too many.

In time others will offer national FSD solutions like Tesla just released as a beta. I expect it will be a few years before anyone ships EV's without steering wheels and pedals.
 
GaleHawkins said:
WetEV said:
GaleHawkins said:
I see they over looked covering FSD but Tesla is the only player doing nation wide FSD at this point in time.

One too many.

In time others will offer national FSD solutions like Tesla just released as a beta. I expect it will be a few years before anyone ships EV's without steering wheels and pedals.
A few decades, perhaps. Perhaps more.
 
GaleHawkins said:
WetEV said:
GaleHawkins said:
I see they over looked covering FSD but Tesla is the only player doing nation wide FSD at this point in time.

One too many.

In time others will offer national FSD solutions like Tesla just released as a beta. I expect it will be a few years before anyone ships EV's without steering wheels and pedals.
I'm not sure about MobileEye, but GM and Google rely on HD mapping. That is a limited solution from the get go. Not only does the map have to exist, it has to be up to date.
 
GCR:
Ford's rival to Autopilot and Super Cruise: Priced, and coming to Mach-E electric SUV

https://www.greencarreports.com/new...ruise-coming-next-year-to-mach-e-electric-suv


. . . Ford has disclosed pricing for the feature, which will be rolled out in the third quarter of 2021, through an over-the-air update—initially on the Ford Mustang Mach-E electric SUV and the Ford F-150 pickup.

It will come standard on the Premium, First Edition, and California Route 1 versions of the Mustang Mach-E, while it’s offered on more affordable Select trims for $3,200, together with a 360-degree camera, heated front seats and a heated steering wheel, as part of a Comfort and Technology package. On the F-150, the positioning is different and it’s standard only on top Limited versions but optional as part of a $1,595 package on Lariat, King Range, and Platinum models—all among the more expensive versions in the lineup.

Ford discloses up front that Active Drive Assist includes a three-year service period, after which owners can choose a “competitively priced connected service” to keep using it and getting OTA updates.

Like Super Cruise, which started as a Cadillac exclusive but is on the way to the 2022 Chevrolet Bolt EV and EUV, Active Drive Assist allows hands-free driving on “prequalified sections of divided highways.” Ford says that more than 100,000 miles of roads get that approval in North America. It works together with adaptive cruise control, lane centering, and speed sign recognition, and uses a driver-facing camera to study eye movements and head position to make sure the driver maintains attention. . . .
 
Waymo pulls back the curtain on 6.1 million miles of self-driving car data in Phoenix
https://www.theverge.com/2020/10/30/21538999/waymo-self-driving-car-data-miles-crashes-phoenix-google
 
Tesla’s ‘Full Self-Driving’ Is 99.9% There, Just 1,000 Times Further To Go
https://www.forbes.com/sites/bradtempleton/2020/10/23/teslas-full-self-driving-is-999-there-just-1000-times-further-to-go/ - written by someone who was on Google self-driving car team.
What the vehicle does is slightly better than what Google Chauffeur (now Waymo) demonstrated in 2010 while I was working there, though it’s very important to know that it does it using just cameras and minimal maps, while Chauffeur used detailed maps and LIDAR, and made minimal use of cameras.
 
Since Tesla is the only car maker that offers FSD in the world today at any price there's no other other car maker to benchmark Tesla's lead against.

Now that Dojo is in place the 1000 times more to go the article suggested Tesla has to go to have true Full SELF Driving solution means 2025 and I can see that as being realistic.

Waymo prototype is still using the car owners roof and trunk because they are not vertical integrated FSD solutions that are on the market today even at 100 times more expense.
 
The race will be whether Waymo can expand its geofencing fast enough while Tesla goes from the whole thing in one shot. Hard to tell who wins. Waymo will have revenue from driverless cars sooner, but it's a slow roll with as a more expensive set up. Tesla wants to run the table.

Has anyone on the board in Phoenix tried the driverless cab yet just for fun?
 
GaleHawkins said:
Since Tesla is the only car maker that offers FSD in the world today at any price there's no other other car maker to benchmark Tesla's lead against.

No car maker or anyone else has full self driving.

Waymo is closer.
 
WetEV said:
GaleHawkins said:
Since Tesla is the only car maker that offers FSD in the world today at any price there's no other other car maker to benchmark Tesla's lead against.

No car maker or anyone else has full self driving.

Waymo is closer.

Where does Waymo build it's cars with FSD that is even 10% as usable as a Model 3 Tesla on any road or street in the USA? How much does Waymo car cost? How many weeks to take delivery after ordering it online?
 
ABG:
Mercedes bets on evolution as Tesla touts revolution in automated driving

Mercedes launches Drive Pilot next year

https://www.autoblog.com/2020/10/31/mercedes-benz-drive-pilot-automated-driving-vs-tesla/


As Tesla touts the cutting-edge nature of its new Full Self Driving software, rival Mercedes-Benz says it has developed a similar system but stops short of allowing members of the public to take it on urban roads.

The Germans, pioneers in developing advanced driver assistance systems (ADAS), are taking a step-by-step approach to releasing new technology, waiting for their own engineers, rather than the general public, to validate their system.

Advanced driver assistance systems can provide steering, braking and acceleration support under limited circumstances, generally on highways. Carmakers have refrained from relying on their technology to let cars navigate urban inner-city traffic.

Tesla broke this tradition last week when it released its FSD software which allows its computer-powered cars to practice their reflexes in inner-city traffic situations, with a warning that its cars "May Do the Wrong Thing at the Worst Time."

Mercedes does not allow members of the public to test still-experimental systems. Its engineers need to pass an eligibility exam to become test drivers, and another one for testing automated driving systems, the carmaker said.

Rather than force their customers to put their trust in processors, software and the ability of machines to learn over time, the Germans want their cars to be validated by engineers so that they remain predictable for owners.

"We do not want blind trust. We want informed trust in the car. The customer needs to know exactly what the car can and cannot do
," a Mercedes spokesman told Reuters on the sidelines of the carmaker's test track in Immendingen, Germany.

"The worst thing would be if the car gets into a complex situation and there was ambiguity over whether the car is in control or not," he said.

This is why the Stuttgart-based carmaker, owned by Daimler AG, is emphasizing its decades-old experience of automated driver assistance systems as it seeks to gain global regulatory approval for its own Drive Pilot system which boasts level 3 automation.

Level 3 means the driver can legally take their eyes off the wheel and the company, Daimler in this case, would have to assume insurance liability, depending on the jurisdiction.

The new Tesla system forces customers to take responsibility for any crash. . . .


Oh, those wacky Germans, not being willing to unleash immature systems on the general public, and waiting to release it only when DB will take responsibility for a crash while the system's operating.

Tesla's system is so much better: if no accident happens sole credit goes to the system, but any accident that does occur is solely the driver's fault. I'll bet they make a lot of money off coin-flipping contests too, given the same "Heads I win, tails you lose" rules.
 
In 1969 when I went off to the city to study computer programming in Assembly, RPG-2 and COBOL languages Neural Network was more science fiction than reality.

Quanta Magazine

Deep Neural Networks Help to Explain Living Brains

Yesterday this article helped me to finally get a grasp on what Elon Musk is talking about how Tesla's Dojo Neural Network is the machine that will enable Tesla to start shipping cars without a need for steering wheels, brake pedals, etc some day. Best guess is that it may first happen in China by 2025+.
 
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