Oils4AsphaultOnly said:
GRA said:
Oils4AsphaultOnly said:
Knowing about the problem over two years and STILL NOT having a solution pretty much means it's not solvable (or at least within practical limits - vacuum isolated tubing would be one impractical way). Stop dancing around that fact with semantics and just acknowledge that there currently is NO SOLUTION to this limitation. Whether it's 8 per hour, or 3 per 30 mins, the improvement does not scale.
Seeing as how there are almost no gen 2 stations in operation yet, how do you know there isn't a solution yet? And even in the unlikely event there were no way to prevent temporary freeze up of the nozzle, do you think it might just occur to someone to install two hoses/nozzles per dispenser, in the same way EA puts two cables/connectors on their QCs? Hopefully they'd be smarter about it than EA is, and put them on opposite sides of the dispenser so that two cars could be connected at the same time, unlike EA.
Oils4AsphaultOnly said:
And we've already discussed your use cases, and have already determined that BEV's do meet your use cases very well. You would rather continue polluting the air on your boy scouts and nit-pick about the minimal vampire-drain and extra 15-minutes of a single charging stop than to acknowledge that BEV's do work for you. You're a hypocrite with your "copper-shots vs silver bullets" line.
What complete and utter B.S. I've described at length the places I'm likely to go, the routes I'm likely to take, and the low density if not complete absence of QC facilities along them, requiring me to either take completely different routes and/or plan my entire trip around charging stops, usually in places I have no wish to stay, or else forego the trip altogether.
Please do tell me of your fantasy about how BEVs are suitable for me. Let's start by having you explain how I'm going to drive across Nevada on U.S. 50 to Great Basin National Park (before continuing on to Ricky Mtn. NP), something I plan to do this fall but am still unable to do in a BEV owing to the total lack of QCs east of Fernley, NV, unless I'm willing to waste a night enroute and stay in an RV park, neither of which I'm willing to do.. Otherwise, don't waste my time.
Easy, for these once a year 600-mile road trip out to the middle of no-where just so you can say that the nearest supercharger is "out-of-the-way" (The tonopah supercharger is within 230 miles of that park) , you'd RENT a gas car.
So what you're saying is that an ICE is the only practical choice at the moment. Good, we agree. But since I already own a gas car, which I only use for trips and which costs me less every year I keep it, what is the advantage to me of selling it and then renting another, with the attendant hassle and extra expense of doing so? I might save a bit on insurance, although that's not guaranteed as I have pay as you drive insurance, but I'd lose the flexibility and spontaneity that comes from having a car in my driveway available instantly.
I've had my car for 17.5 years now, and my odometer reads 70,164. I looked up how much I've driven this past decade, and see that on 1/14/11 the odometer read 54,335, so I've driven it just under 16,000 miles in the past 9.5 years (averaging less than 2,000 miles a year), which is about when I stopped taking out of state trips until I could do so in a ZEV. This is not my total car mileage though, as I'm sometimes driving with a friend in their car on trips. You could add the mileage of 1-2 trips a year to the total for that, but you'd have to multiply the P/mpg by two or more, and of course do the same for some of the multi-pax trips in my car.
Interesting that you mention Tonopah, as I'm considering doing the trip via 120/U.S.6/50 instead, allowing me to spend Friday night after work at Tuolumne Mdws. (8,600') in Yosemite to help acclimatize, instead of leaving the next morning and driving straight through, as when I get to Great Basin I'll be driving to and camping at 10,000' in order to hike up Wheeler Pk. (13,063') the next morning.
BTW, how do you propose I return from G.B., given that the round trip from Tonopah is 460 miles (not including the 24 mile RT to the trailhead)? And as I mentioned I'm not coming back but going on to RMNP, which means I have to be able to reach the recently opened EA site in Scipio, UT from Tonopah, 385 miles away.
Oh, and be sure to allow for a reserve to reach the next QC, in case Tonopah and/or Scipio are U/S. Of course, I could count on the single Greenlots QC in Ely (or Tonopah FTM) to be working, but the last check-in at Ely on Plugshare in April indicated there was a problem. Besides, I'd be a fool to plan a trip that depends on a single QC. I'm sure you agree, given all the moaning you've done about single nozzle issues at H2 stations'. And then there's EA's and Greenlots less than stellar rep for reliability.
Oils4AsphaultOnly said:
Because we both know that there will never be enough H2 infrastructure to permit you to make that trip in a PHFCEV.
We both don't
know anything of the kind. It may happen, it may not, just depends on whether or not FCEVs succeed. You could as easy claim 110 years ago that there would never be enough gasoline infrastructure and roads to make that trip in a car - take a train and a horse. But at the moment, owing to FCEV's greater range and faster fueling, it takes a lower density of H2 fueling infrastructure than it does BEV charging infrastructure to make the trip practical.
Oils4AsphaultOnly said:
For all the rest of the time where you don't drive to such remote destinations, you can do it in an electric vehicle ... today. In 2022 however, that will change with the production of the 500-mile range cybertruck, but we both know you wouldn't even consider it, since it's a BEV.
What all the rest of the time??? The only time I use a car is to drive to such remote locations, which is why I've been monitoring the deployment of the SC, EA and other charging networks as well as the H2 network. I've been waiting since last September for the CEC/Chargepoint in Groveland to open, just so I could make my typical weekend trip to Yosemite and points south of it along 395.
Otherwise, I'd have to fully charge in Oakdale and make the 132 mile/6,600' net gain/9,800' max. gain one-way drive to Lee Vining where there are a couple of L2s (or depend on the single QC at Rush Creek Lodge 20 miles east of Groveland being both operational and available when I arrive); or else count on the EA QC in Bridgeport (50 mile RT from L.V. the wrong direction); or else that I can make the EA QC in Bishop (64 miles beyond Lee Vining).
If I want to go south of that, to Whitney Portal say, Bishop had better be working, because the round trip from Lee Vining is about 274 miles with thousands of feet of elevation gain (and loss, but as we know there's no such thing as 100% efficient Regen), and then I'd need to spend most of the day or night charging at Lee Vining to get back to Oakdale. It takes a robust, redundant, fast recharging/refueling network to make such trips practical instead of driving adventures, unless you've got so much range that you can do the whole thing on your initial store of energy.
Oils4AsphaultOnly said:
Frankly, it wouldn't have bothered me if you want to keep your current gas car out of personal preference. What riles me is the fact that you would perpetuate your own fallacies about BEV's (of which there are now almost 1 million in the US) while simultaneously hold out fantastical hopes that PHFCEV's would be the perfect solution for you, despite all evidence pointing to it never being able to achieve the critical mass (limited by costs of the fuel and costs of the infrastructure) needed to be anything other than a niche-region-limited novelty. The end result being that you would continue to pollute (for many years) despite claiming that you're pro-environment.
See above for which of us is perpetuating fallacies about BEV's current suitability for this type of trip. I'm still waiting for that Groveland site to open so I can rent a Bolt or similar on Turo and take a trip to the Tuolumne Mdws. area and return, without that being the sole purpose of the trip.
I've made the point repeatedly that there are no guaranteed winners yet. BEVs and their infrastructure may improve enough, H2 infrastructure and price may, or both or neither.
I'll be happy to use either, WHEN THEY MEET MY NEEDS.
