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GaleHawkins said:
DougWantsALeaf said:
3 of the 4 EA chargers I have used have charged above 50 KW. The one that didn’t exceed listed the ccs on the station as also only being a 50KW location.

Same here.

Ahh interesting. So if the Chademo is paired with a 150 kw CCS then we are good?
 
DougWantsALeaf said:
I "think so" , but guessing there is some variation depending on the charging unit. It does look like EA has used a variety of manufacturers for their units across the country.
https://insideevs.com/news/389891/exclusive-interview-electrify-america-problems-solutions/ from Jan 2020 mentions four of them.
We mostly talked about the challenges of having four different versions of their DC fast chargers. Electrify America currently uses units made by ABB, BTC, Signet, and Efacec. Every time they have a software or hardware update, it has to be done on all four brands, and they don't always all work the same afterward. Fitezek has to work out the kinks with all four partners and they all respond on different timelines. I could see that this was clearly a pain point for him.
 
GRA said:
Here's WetEV's "Coming Soon" list, current as possible as of 4/30/20. At the end of April there were 425 sites open of which 9 opened in April, and 114 "Coming Soon" on the map. There were 2 sites opened for which I don't know the location, and I haven't added all the new "Coming soon" sites yet.

I've bolded each station that's opened since this post was originally made and added the opening date in [ ]. I've put new sites subsequently added to the list in ( date ):

AL:
Walmart 661 (Athens, AL) 1011 US Hwy 72 E Athens, AL 35611(Added 3/11/20)
Walmart Supercenter 1462 (Greenville, AL)501 Willow Ln Greenville, AL 36037 (Added 3/10/20)
Walmart Supercenter 809 (Oxford, AL) 92 Plaza Ln Oxford, AL 36203 (Added 3/11/20)
Walmart 1212 (Saraland, AL) 1095 Industrial Pkwy Saraland, AL 36571(added 3/10/20)
Walmart Supercenter 356 (Auburn, AL) 1717 S College St Auburn, AL 36832 (added 3/10/20) [5/8/20]

AZ:
Az Mills Mall 5000 S. Arizona Mills Circle Tempe,AZ,85282 [11/14/19]
"Love's Travel #286 (Quartzsite, Az) 760 S Quartzsite Blvd Quartzsite",AZ,85346
Arizona Proving Grounds 17169 N Murphy Rd Maricopa, AZ 85138 (Site added 11/19, but removed from map 12/12/19)

CA - South of Tehachapis:
BOA LA Chinatown CA9-167 850 N Broadway Los Angeles, CA 90012 (Added 3/10/20?)
Boa Washington-centinela Ca9-160 12316 W Washington Blvd Los Angeles, CA 90066 (Not on list) [12/18/19]
Malibu Village 3822 Cross Creek Rd Malibu, CA 90265 (Added 3/10/20?)
Palos Verdes Library District 701 Silver Spur Road Rolling Hills Estates, CA 90274 (Added 3/10/20?)
"Walmart 3180 - South Gate, Ca 4651 Firestone Blvd. South Gate",CA,90280 [2/20/20]
"Target T2082 - Buena Park, Ca 7530 Orangethorpe Avenue Buena Park",CA,90621 [12/31/19]
"Target T0229 - Cypress, Ca 9835 Katella Avenue Cypress",CA,90630
Los Cerritos Center 239 Los Cerritos Center Cerritos, CA 90703 (Added 3/10/20?)
"Target T2328 - Carson, Ca 651 W. Sepulveda Blvd. Carson",CA,90745 [12/18/19]
Vons 2861 Long Beach 600 E. Broadway Long Beach,CA,90803
BoA Gateway CA-8-113 3812 San Fernando Rd Glendale, CA 91204 (Added 3/10/20?)
"Ralphs 060 - Glendale, Ca 1416 East Colorado St Glendale",CA 91205 [12/19/19]
"Walmart 5162 - Santa Clarita, Ca 27931 KELLY JOHNSON PKWY. Santa Clarita",CA,91355 [2/21/20]
"Target T1309 - Van Nuys, Ca 14920 Raymer Street Van Nuys",CA,91405 [11/22/19]
Ralph's 222 Ventura Blvd 14049 Ventura Blvd Sherman Oaks, CA 91423 (Added 3/10/20?)
"Plaza Del Sol - Burbank, Ca 10950 Sherman Way Burbank",CA,91505 [12/31/19]
"Target T2179 -Diamond Bar, Ca 747 Grand Avenue Diamond Bar",CA,91765 [11/21/19]
Walmart 5154 (Rosemead, CA) 1827 Walnut Grove Ave Rosemead, CA 91770 (Added 3/11/20?)
"Walmart 5023 - National City, Ca 1200 Highland Avenue National City",CA,91950 [12/10/19]
"Walmart 2494 - Oceanside,ca 2100 Vista Way Oceanside",CA,92054
"Target T1485 - Santee, Ca 9846 Mission Gorge Rd. null Santee",CA,92071
"Target T2165 - Vista, Ca 3150 Business Park Dr. Vista",CA,92081
"Target T1846 - San Diego, Ca 3424 College Ave. San Diego",CA,92115
"Walmart 2177 - San Diego, Ca 3382 Murphy Canyon Rd. San Diego",CA,92123 [1/16/20]
"Walmart 2150 - San Diego, Ca 710 Dennery Road San Diego",CA,92154 [12/25/19]
Las Americas Premium Outlets 4211 Camino De La Plaza San Diego,CA,92173
Desert Hills Premium Outlets 48400 Seminole Dr. null Cabazon,CA,92230 [3/8/20]
Imperial Valley Mall 3451 South Dogwood Rd. El Centro,CA,92243 [12/31/19]
BoA CA0-151 (Palm Springs, CA) 588 S Palm Canyon Dr Palm Springs, CA 92264 (Added 3/11/20?)
"Ultra Gas And Mart (Baker, Ca) 71808 Baker Blvd Baker",CA,92309 [1/23/20]
"Walmart 1879 - Barstow, Ca 301 Montara Road Barstow",CA,92311 [3/30/20]
"Walmart 4340 - Hesperia, Ca 13401 Main Street Hesperia",CA,92345 [12/31/19]
"Sam's Club 4822 - Murrieta, Ca 40500 MURRIETA HOT SPRINGS RD. Murrieta",CA,92563 [11/27/19]
"Walmart 2218 - Foothill Ranch, Ca 26502 Towne Centre Drive Foothill Ranch",CA,92610 [12/4/19]
Cypress Village - Irvine Company 14001 Jeffrey Rd Irvine, CA 92620 (Added 3/10/20?)
"Target T2051 - Huntington Beach, Ca 9882 Adams Avenue Huntington Beach",CA,92646 [11/26/19]
Marina Village 5922 Edinger Avenue Huntington Beach,CA,92649 [12/12/19]
"Walmart 2527 - San Clemente, Ca 951 Avenida Pico San Clemente",CA,92673 [12/17/19]
"Target T0914 - Rancho Santa Margarita, Ca 30602 Santa Margarita Parkway Rancho Santa Margarita",CA,92688 [1/3/20]
Shops At Mission Viejo 555 Shops Blvd. Mission Viejo,CA, 92691 [4/3/20]
Target T0300 (Mission Viejo, CA) 24500 Alicia Pkwy. Mission Viejo, CA 92691 (Added 3/10/20?)
"Target T0250 - Santa Ana, Ca 3300 S. Bristol Street Santa Ana",CA,92704
Boa 17th-tustin Ca7-1332127 E 17th Street Santa Ana, CA 92705 (not listed) [12/20/19]
Walmart 2242 Anaheim 440 N. Euclid St. Anaheim,CA,92801 [4/23/20]
Brea Mall 1065 Brea Mall Drive Brea,CA,92821
"Walmart 1912 - Corona, Ca 479 McKinley St. Corona",CA,92879 [3/24/20]
Yorba Canyon Center 21480 Yorba Linda Blvd. Yorba Linda, CA 92887 (Added 3/10/20?)
"Walmart 5140 - La Mesa, Ca 5500 Grossmont Center Dr. La Mesa",CA,92942
Camarillo Premium Outlets 740 Ventura Blvd Camarillo,CA,93010 [5/28/20]

CA - Tehacahapis N. to Gilroy, and 395:
Harris Ranch Inn & Restaurant 24505 West Dorris Avenue Coalinga,CA,93210
"Walmart 5215 - Delano, Ca 530 Woollomes Ave. Delano",CA,93215 (Removed 1?/20)
Walmart Supercenter 2536 - Tulare, CA 1110 E. Prosperity Ave. Tulare, CA 93274 (Added 1/?/20) [2/21/20]
Countryside Market - Shell 9741 South Enos Lane Bakersfield,CA,93311 [11/26/19]
Boa Paso Robles Ca1-109 1511 Spring Street Paso Robles,CA,93446 [12/19/19]
Pismo Beach Premium Outlets 333 Five Cities Drive Pismo Beach,CA,93449 [1/10/20]
"Comfort Inn & Suites - Mojave, Ca 1385 CA-58 BUS Mojave",CA,93501 [1/22/20]
"Vons 1753 - Bishop, Ca 1190 N Main Street Bishop",CA,93514 [12/31/19]
Bridgeport Shell 453 Main Street Bridgeport,CA,93517 [11/21/19]
Coso Junction Store 20 Gills Station Road Olancha,CA,93549
Shaw And Dewitt - Clovis 540 Shaw Avenue Clovis,CA,93612 [3/30/20]
Panoche Shell 46331 W Panoche Road Firebaugh,CA,93622 [12/5/19]
Save Mart 650 (Fresno, CA) 4043 W. Clinton Fresno, CA 93722 (Added 3/11/20)
"Walmart 2001 - Fresno, Ca 5125 East Kings Canyon Road Fresno",CA,93727
"Walmart 2458 - Salinas, Ca 1800 North Main St. null Salinas",CA,93906 [3/24/20]
Greenfield-santa Lucia Square Sc 500-614 Walnut Avenue Greenfield,CA,93927

CA - Gilroy & Northwards
"Safeway 1138 - Belmont, Ca 1100 El Camino Real Belmont",CA,94002 (not on map 12/12/19) [2/21/20]
BoA Half Moon Bay Ca5-109 620 Main St Half Moon Bay,CA,94019
Lawrence Oakmead Shopping Center 540-548 Lawrence Expressway Sunnyvale,CA,94085 1/30/20]
"Safeway 0739 - San Francisco, Ca 3350 Mission Street San Francisco",CA,94110
Stable Headquarters (San Francisco, CA) 1999 Bryant Street San Francisco, CA 94110 (Added 1/27/20, Removed 2/13?/20)
"Safeway 0995 - San Francisco, Ca 1335 Webster St. San Francisco",CA,94115
"Safeway 0985 - San Francisco, Ca 2350 Noriega St. San Francisco",CA,94122
Lakeshore Plaza 4258 Ocean Avenue San Francisco,CA,94132
Stanford Shopping Center 660 Stanford Shopping Center Palo Alto,CA,94304 [2/13/20]
"Target T2829 - Alameda, Ca 2700 5th Street Alameda",CA,94501 [12/20/19]
"Lucky 705 - Concord, Ca 5190 Clayton Rd. Concord",CA,94521 [12/6/19]
"Safeway 0928 - Pleasant Hill, Ca 600 Patterson Blvd. Pleasant Hill",CA,94523
Brookvale Shopping Center 35720 Fremont Blvd. Fremont,CA,94536 [1/31/20]
"Walmart 2989 - Fremont, Ca 44009 Osgood Road Fremont",CA,94539 [1/31/20]
BoA Castro Valley Ca4-121 3067 Castro Valley Blvd. Castro Valley,CA,94546 [1/31/20]
"Lucky 722 - Livermore, Ca 1951 Holmes Street Livermore",CA,94550
"Walmart 2648 - San Leandro, Ca 1919 Davis Street San Leandro",CA,94577 [1/29/20]
"Walmart 2031 - Union City, Ca 30600 Dyer Street Union City",CA,94587
Metro 580 4500 Rosewood Drive Pleasanton,CA,94588 [11/27/19]
Broadway Plaza 1275 Broadway Plaza Walnut Creek, CA 94596 (Added 1/27/20)
"Lucky 736 - Oakland, Ca 247 East 18th Street Oakland",CA,94606 [3/5/20]
BoA Emeryville Ca4-137 4120 San Pablo Avenue Emeryville,CA,94608 [4/24/20]
Walmart 1755 (Rohnert Park, CA) 4625 Redwood Dr Rohnert Park, CA 94928 (Added 3/11/20)
"Safeway 0788 (Mill Valley, Ca) 1 Camino Alto Mill Valley",CA,94941
Gilroy Premium Outlets 681 Leavesley Road Gilroy,CA,95020 [1/3/20]
BoA Ca3-116 Los Gatos 333 N Santa Cruz Ave Los Gatos,CA,95030 [2/24/20]
Princeton Plaza Mall 1375 Blossom Hill Rd. San Jose,CA,95118 [2/28/20]
BoA Santa Teresa-Bernal Ca3-169 155 Bernal Rd. San Jose,CA,95119 [1/3-/20
BoA Blossom Hill Winfield Ca 3-170 971 Blossom Hill Rd. San Jose,CA,95123
Safeway #1476 San Jose 1300 West San Carlos Street San Jose,CA,95126
Plaza Shopping Center - Pan Cal 1334 Saratoga Ave. San Jose,CA,95129 [12/25/19]
"Safeway 0929 - San Jose, Ca 2558 Berryessa Road San Jose",CA,95132
Save Mart Lucky #758 (San Jose, CA) 565 West Capitol Expressway San Jose, CA 95136 (Added 1/27/20)
"Walmart 3352 - Stockton, Ca 10355 Trinity Parkway Stockton",CA,95219 [2/20/20]
"Walmart 2025 - Tracy, Ca 3010 W Grant Line Road Tracy",CA,95304
BOA Sonoma CA3-109 (Sonoma, CA) 35 W Napa St Sonoma, CA 95476 BOA (added 3/10/20)
"Safeway #0965 - Willits, Ca 845 S. Main Street Willits",CA,95490
Eureka-Bayshore Mall 3300 Broadway Street Eureka,CA,95501 [2/28/20]
Garberville-one Loghouse 705 US 101 Garberville,CA,95542
Vacaville Premium Outlets 321 Nut Tree Road Vacaville,CA,95687 [12/9/19]
Sacramento Regional Transit 29th Street Yard 1400 29th Street Sacramento, CA 95816 (Added 1/27/20)
UC Davis Medical Center 2401 45th Street Sacramento, CA 95816 (Added 1/27/20)
Target T0312 Fulton Ave 1919 Fulton Avenue Sacramento,CA,95825
"Walmart 2053 - Willows, Ca 470 Airport Road Willows",CA,95988 [1/3/20]
"Safeway 0273 - Anderson, Ca 2601 Balls Ferry Road Anderson",CA,96007 [12/24/19]
"Save Mart 627 - Truckee, Ca 11399 Deerfield Drive. Truckee",CA,96161 [1/10/20]

CO:
"Walmart 3533 - Denver, Co 7800 Smith Rd. null Denver",CO,80207 [1/6/20]

CT:
"Walmart 1891 - Manchester, Ct 420 Buckland Hills Dr. Manchester",CT, 06042
"Walmart 2371 - Wallingford, Ct 844 N Colony Rd. Wallingford",CT, 06492

DC:
"Walmart 5968 - Georgia Ave, Dc 5929 Georgia Ave NW Washington",DC,20011

GA:
Walmart 3461 (Peachtree, GA) 2717 Highway 54 Peachtree City, GA 30269 (Added 3/11/20)
Walmart 3402 (Stockbridge, GA) 1400 Hudson Bridge Rd Stockbridge, GA 30281 (Added 3/11/20)

IL:
Walmart 1737 (Villa Park, IL) 900 South Route 83 Villa Park, IL 60181(Added 3/10/20)
"Target T2613 - Chicago, Il 1200 N Larrabee St Chicago",IL,60610 [12/5/19]

MA:
Burlington Mall 75 Middlesex Turnpike Burlington,MA, 01803
Federal Realty - Assembly Row 449 Canal Street Somerville,MA, 02145 1/21/20]

MD:
Bowie Town Center (Bowie, MD)15606 Emerald Way Bowie, MD 20716 (Added 1/28/20) [5/11/20]
Clarksburg Premium Outlets (Clarksburg, MD) 22705 Clarksburg Road Clarksburg, MD 20841 (Added 1/28/20) [5/8/20]
Walmart 5228 - Columbia, MD 6405 Dobbin Road Columbia,MD,21045 [11/18/19]
Walmart 6357 (Annapolis,MD) 2100 Generals Hwy Annapolis, MD 21401(Added 3/11/20)


ME:
"Walmart 1788 - Scarborough, ME 500 Gallery Blvd. Scarborough",ME, 04074 [12/20/19]

NH:
"Walmart 1762 - Seabrook, NH 700 Lafayette Rd. Unit #1 null Seabrook",NH, 03874 [12/23/19]

NJ:
"Target T1175 - Fairfield, NJ US HWY 46 Fairfield",NJ, 07004 [1/31/20]
Target T1822 (Clifton, NJ) 30 KINGSLAND RD Clifton, NJ 07014 (Added 1/27/20)
"Walmart 5447 - Kearny, NJ 150 Harrison Ave. Kearny",NJ, 07032 [1/13/20]
"Walmart 3520 - Secaucus, NJ 400 Park Plaza Dr. Secaucus",NJ, 07094
Plaza 23 Station 500 Route 23 North Pompton Plains,NJ, 07444 [11/21/19]
Target 1085 - Cherry Hill, NJ 2137 NJ-38 Cherry Hill,NJ, 08002 [11/18/19]
Walmart 4456 Somerdale 1 Coopertowne Blvd Somerdale,NJ, 08083 [1/30/20]
Walmart 3078 - East Brunswick NJ 90 NJ-18 East Brunswick,NJ, 08816 [12/17/19]

NM:
Love's 262 (Tucumcari, NM) 1900 South Mountain Road Tucumcari, NM 88401(Added 3/10/20)

NY:
Green Acres Mall 2034 Green Acres Mall Valley Stream,NY,11581 [1/14/20]
Simon-Smith Haven Mall 313 SMITH HAVEN MALL Lake Grove,NY,11755

OR:
"Target T0344 - Beaverton, Or 10775 SW Beaverton Hillsdale Hwy. Beaverton",OR,97005
"Target T0346 - Clackamas, Or 9000 SE Sunny-side Road Clackamas",OR,97015
"Walmart 5935 - Tigard, Or 7600 SW Dartmouth St. Tigard",OR,97223 [4/9/20]
"Walmart 1784 - Salem, Or 3025 Lancaster Dr. NE Salem",OR,97305 [12/4/19]
"Target T0612 - Springfield, Or 2750 Gateway St Springfield",OR,97477 [4/17/20]

UT:
Green River Coffee (Green River, UT) 25 East Maint Street Green River, UT 84525 (Added 3/11/20)

VA:
"Walmart 5969 - Chantilly, Va 4368 Chantilly Shopping Center Chantilly Chantilly",VA 20151
Lindsay VW 22455 Lindsay Cars Ct Sterling, VA 20166 (Added 2/14/20, removed 2/?/20)
"Walmart 3077 - Haymarket, Va 6530 Trading Square Haymarket",VA,20169 [4/29/20]
Tysons West 1500 B Cornerside Blvd. Vienna,VA,22182 [12/6/19]

WA:
"Walmart 3794 - Federal Way, Wa 34520 16TH AVE S Federal Way",WA,98003
Safeway #1600 (Bellevue, WA) 300 BELLEVUE WAY NE Bellevue, WA 98004 (Added 1/28/20)
"Fred Meyer 457 - Bothell, Wa 21045 Bothell Everett Hwy. Bothell",WA,98021 [11/19/19]
"Boa 5-119 Kent, Wa 311 4th. Ave. N. Kent, Washington 98032 Kent",WA,98032 [4/10/20]
"Target T0995 - Redmond, Wa NE 76th St. Redmond",WA,98052
Capital Mall 2725 Harrison Ave NW,Olympia, WA 98502, USA (added 3/6/20)
 
DaveinOlyWA said:
GaleHawkins said:
DougWantsALeaf said:
3 of the 4 EA chargers I have used have charged above 50 KW. The one that didn’t exceed listed the ccs on the station as also only being a 50KW location.

Same here.

Ahh interesting. So if the Chademo is paired with a 150 kw CCS then we are good?

Ok, found SEVERAL on Plugshare that violate the 200 amps on the 150/50 stations including a few that barely charge at 118 amps. Looks like will need to do an EA road trip to find out for myself.
 
DougWantsALeaf said:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/insideevs.com/news/420341/electrify-america-customer-satisfaction-survey/amp/

Tell EA we want more Chademo stalls at each stop.

Why should VW pay for Nissan's charging stalls?
 
WetEV said:
DougWantsALeaf said:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/insideevs.com/news/420341/electrify-america-customer-satisfaction-survey/amp/

Tell EA we want more Chademo stalls at each stop.

Why should VW pay for Nissan's charging stalls?

Cause DOJ made em do it. There is little doubt in my mind that VW would not have put up a single station for anyone without the DOJ's help.
 
DaveinOlyWA said:
WetEV said:
DougWantsALeaf said:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/insideevs.com/news/420341/electrify-america-customer-satisfaction-survey/amp/

Tell EA we want more Chademo stalls at each stop.

Why should VW pay for Nissan's charging stalls?

Cause DOJ made em do it. There is little doubt in my mind that VW would not have put up a single station for anyone without the DOJ's help.

VW has done what the DOJ requires. In terms of CHAdeMO, they have done exactly the minimum and nothing more. I don't see them doing any more unless the minimum is changed. It's just not a compelling business case to lose more money than they already have just to support a competitor's EV. I can't see them ever breaking even on investing in more CHAdeMO ports.
 
GetOffYourGas said:
DaveinOlyWA said:
WetEV said:
Why should VW pay for Nissan's charging stalls?

Cause DOJ made em do it. There is little doubt in my mind that VW would not have put up a single station for anyone without the DOJ's help.

VW has done what the DOJ requires. In terms of CHAdeMO, they have done exactly the minimum and nothing more. I don't see them doing any more unless the minimum is changed. It's just not a compelling business case to lose more money than they already have just to support a competitor's EV. I can't see them ever breaking even on investing in more CHAdeMO ports.

I think it depends where you are. In BC the vast number of EV’s on the road are Chademo compatible. Not having at least as many Chademo handles as CCS would be cutting your own throat. Tesla’s here are the biggest Chademo customer. There are I believe 16 Tesla Supercharger locations in the province and about 155 Chademo locations. If you travel anywhere off the main trans Canada route through here you’ll need a Chademo adapter and station. I don’t see that changing in the next decade. Kill Chademo and kill EV sales as Tesla is still the main EV sold here.
 
GetOffYourGas said:
DaveinOlyWA said:
WetEV said:
Why should VW pay for Nissan's charging stalls?

Cause DOJ made em do it. There is little doubt in my mind that VW would not have put up a single station for anyone without the DOJ's help.

VW has done what the DOJ requires. In terms of CHAdeMO, they have done exactly the minimum and nothing more. I don't see them doing any more unless the minimum is changed. It's just not a compelling business case to lose more money than they already have just to support a competitor's EV. I can't see them ever breaking even on investing in more CHAdeMO ports.

So chademo handles are that much more expensive over CCS? Cause your comment makes no sense if they aren't.

Each station can only charge one car at a time. You talk as if adding another combo station takes away from CCS access.
 
There is precious little money to be made in reselling electricity to EV drivers. I'm willing to bet that EA's margins are razor-thin or (more likely) negative on each kWh they sell. Even with eventual higher usage rates to better amortize the demand charges, the margins will be low.

The only way that Tesla has been able to justify the huge expense of quick charging is as an marketing expense. Yes, it is an expense, not an income.

In the next few years, VW hopes to sell large numbers of (CSS-equipped) EVs. The EA network helps them sell those cars in much the same way as the Supercharger network helps Tesla sell cars.

So tell me again why EA (VW) would go out of their way to add more CHAdeMO handles, which only helps the competitors (Nissan, Tesla) sell cars?
 
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