DaveinOlyWA
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Re: Hyundai Kona Electric

Thu Jan 30, 2020 9:36 am

GetOffYourGas wrote:
Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:41 am
As Dave pointed out, they charged the car too full. The Kona is also at a disadvantage on the EA pricing scheme. It advertises something like 80kW max, pushing it above the 1-75kW tier and into the much more expensive 1-125kW tier, which is nearly 3x the cost! Even though the car rarely pulls more than 75kW. And then when they charge to 100%, they are pulling 10kW and paying for 125kW!

So yeah, a lot could have been done to improve the Kona EV experience.

That said, their goal was to just go without planning, just like they did in the gas Kona. Unfortunately, it's too early in the game for that. A little planning goes a long way!
Its all about not having 50 KW CCS options :lol: The E Plus "also" advertises an 80 KW rate but I get billed the 18 cents/minute under 75 KW rate. This means I am below "most" of California's home rates at a public charger! 8-)
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Re: Hyundai Kona Electric

Sun Mar 15, 2020 4:44 pm

See viewtopic.php?f=26&t=25212&p=580964#p580964 for EA's reduced charging price for the Kona.
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Re: Hyundai Kona Electric

Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:29 am

GRA wrote:
Sun Mar 15, 2020 4:44 pm
See viewtopic.php?f=26&t=25212&p=580964#p580964 for EA's reduced charging price for the Kona.
That is what they call a "fix?" OMG... that is so pathetic.
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Re: Hyundai Kona Electric

Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:31 am

It's a temporary patch. Hopefully EA does a major overhaul on their pricing structure in the near future (per-kWh pricing anyone?)
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Re: Hyundai Kona Electric

Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:57 pm

DaveinOlyWA wrote:
Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:29 am
GRA wrote:
Sun Mar 15, 2020 4:44 pm
See viewtopic.php?f=26&t=25212&p=580964#p580964 for EA's reduced charging price for the Kona.
That is what they call a "fix?" OMG... that is so pathetic.

Beats paying $0.59 or $0 69 minute, which is what it was before, and it's more in line with EVgo and other's rates. It's still more expensive than gas, though.
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Re: Hyundai Kona Electric

Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:31 pm

GRA wrote:
Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:57 pm
Beats paying $0.59 or $0 69 minute, which is what it was before, and it's more in line with EVgo and other's rates. It's still more expensive than gas, though.
Only if you do lots of road trips. Total cost is that matters, and home charging is cheaper than gas... Even if crude oil was free. Costs money to transport, refine and retail the stuff.

99% of trips are under 70 miles. Some people drive across the USA multiple times. Some people hardly get out of a small state. Most people do most of their driving locally.

You seem to be different. You have very few car trips under 70 miles. Most of your car trips are road trips. So you are at the end of the distribution that will be the last to use EVs.
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DaveinOlyWA
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Re: Hyundai Kona Electric

Wed Mar 18, 2020 6:24 am

GRA wrote:
Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:57 pm
DaveinOlyWA wrote:
Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:29 am
GRA wrote:
Sun Mar 15, 2020 4:44 pm
See viewtopic.php?f=26&t=25212&p=580964#p580964 for EA's reduced charging price for the Kona.
That is what they call a "fix?" OMG... that is so pathetic.

Beats paying $0.59 or $0 69 minute, which is what it was before, and it's more in line with EVgo and other's rates. It's still more expensive than gas, though.
In a sense, its no different than paying $3.75 for gas in California while the South pays $2.25

As for me? Despite high gas prices just below California levels, I am paying "deep South" EA rates 8-)
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Re: Hyundai Kona Electric

Wed Mar 18, 2020 1:57 pm

DaveinOlyWA wrote:
Wed Mar 18, 2020 6:24 am
GRA wrote:
Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:57 pm
DaveinOlyWA wrote:
Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:29 am


That is what they call a "fix?" OMG... that is so pathetic.

Beats paying $0.59 or $0 69 minute, which is what it was before, and it's more in line with EVgo and other's rates. It's still more expensive than gas, though.
In a sense, its no different than paying $3.75 for gas in California while the South pays $2.25

As for me? Despite high gas prices just below California levels, I am paying "deep South" EA rates 8-)
$1.79/g and dropping in my neighborhood :(
I'm not all that happy as cheap gas is one reason more aren't switching to EVs, that and surcharges on tabs to own an EV make it not really financially smart. I drive an EV as I like not having to go to gas stations where prices go up and down like a pinball not to mention I feel it's more environmentally friendly, one less smog belching vehicle on our roads.
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DaveinOlyWA
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Re: Hyundai Kona Electric

Wed Mar 18, 2020 6:55 pm

jjeff wrote:
Wed Mar 18, 2020 1:57 pm
DaveinOlyWA wrote:
Wed Mar 18, 2020 6:24 am
GRA wrote:
Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:57 pm



Beats paying $0.59 or $0 69 minute, which is what it was before, and it's more in line with EVgo and other's rates. It's still more expensive than gas, though.
In a sense, its no different than paying $3.75 for gas in California while the South pays $2.25

As for me? Despite high gas prices just below California levels, I am paying "deep South" EA rates 8-)
$1.79/g and dropping in my neighborhood :(
I'm not all that happy as cheap gas is one reason more aren't switching to EVs, that and surcharges on tabs to own an EV make it not really financially smart. I drive an EV as I like not having to go to gas stations where prices go up and down like a pinball not to mention I feel it's more environmentally friendly, one less smog belching vehicle on our roads.
WOW!! :shock:
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Re: Hyundai Kona Electric

Thu Mar 19, 2020 5:59 am

AAA national average is $2.196 per gallon. And falling fast. You can just hear the oil well drillers stop. Expect a rapid rise in a year or three, at most.
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