Official Ford Mustang Mach-E BECUV topic

LeftieBiker said:

jlv said:

LeftieBiker said:

The Mustang has always had a range of powerplants

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I think he was referring to the body style than the powerplant.

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Again, the original Mustang was a Falcon with what amounted to an extensive facelift. It was actually pretty homely, and resembled the sports cars of the era about as much as did a small delivery truck.

The new version also looks like a compact car modified to look sportier. I think that people look at a '65 Mustang (often with a straight six and one carb, IIRC) and see the V-8 '69 in larval form, rather than what is actually in front of them. Personally, I don't think the Mustang looked very Sporty until the stretched version in the Seventies.

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Homely? Eye of the beholder, but nah, it was decent looking for the era, and certainly a lot nicer than the Falcon. Of course, the sports car was the fastback: https://www.google.com/search?q='65...rlz=1C1GCEA_enUS817US823#imgrc=L-YLuRft_lXM5M


I don't think too many people think the fastback's homely, and certainly no one who grew up with visions of driving one very fast through San Francisco. What would Steve think? :lol:

I don't think too many people think the fastback's homely, and certainly no one who grew up with visions of driving one very fast through San Francisco. What would Steve think? :lol:

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I think McQueen would be stunned that his Mustang Bullitt sold at an auction last month for $3,4 Million.
https://www.foxnews.com/auto/steve-mcqueen-bullitt-ford-mustang-sold-auction-3-4-million

GCR:

Ford Mustang Mach-E demand goes well beyond the California bubble

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https://www.greencarreports.com/new...demand-goes-well-beyond-the-california-bubble

Three months after opening the reservations window for its upcoming 2021 Mustang Mach-E electric vehicle, Ford reported today that it now has orders for the model in all 50 states. . . .

Roughly three-quarters of those who have ordered the Mach-E up until now have opted for the dual-motor all-wheel drive model—and Ford says that in Connecticut, Maine, Massachusetts, and New Hampshire that ratio climbs to 90%.

According to Ford, about 30% of Mach-E reservations since Ford closed orders for its limited-number First Edition are for the high-performance GT, which also has all-wheel drive.

And to prove how widely distributed orders and interest in the Mach-E are, it created this nifty map infographic that breaks down the number of orders by dealer (every order is assigned to one) with the most popular color by state. . . .

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See the article for the map.

It will be curious to see whether the Mach E will cause many to not pull the trigger on the Y. I think Tesla is starting to look a bit too common as the models all look like identical twins, and aren’t much different in appeal.

Great video of an AWD Mach-E's handling on a Winter snow track.

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/ford-mustang-mach-e-awd-suv-electric-ev-ridealong/

Ford shifted the way it
lists Mustang Mach-E electric SUV battery capacity: Why it matters

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https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1128726_ford-mustang-mach-e-electric-vehicle-battery-capacity


Now showing usable capacity rather than total. Yay!

GCR:

Ford Mustang Mach-E electric SUV prices have been cut by up to $3,000 before arrival

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https://www.greencarreports.com/new...s-have-been-cut-by-up-to-3-000-before-arrival

The 2021 Ford Mustang Mach-E electric SUV will arrive as a rival for the Tesla Model Y on the performance side and the Volkswagen ID.4 on the price-conscious side. With electric-car battery prices on the way down, and the competition heating up, Ford has decided it's better to drop those prices before deliveries even start—which is very soon.

Ford confirmed Tuesday that it is reducing the prices on the Mustang Mach-E First Edition and entry-level Select trim by $1,000, the Premium by $3,000, and the California Route 1 version by $2,000. The GT price remains unchanged. . . .

Including Ford’s $1,100 destination and delivery fee, that brings the model line’s new entry price down to $43,995. Premium models start at $48,100 with the Standard Range battery or $53,100 with the Extended Range battery. The California Route 1 costs $50,900, and the GT adds up to $61,600 on Ford’s order tool. . . .

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Better late than never I guess. I hope it works out.

I saw a FB ad about https://mustangmachetour.com/. Looks like you can see a Mach-E (but not test drive) at a Ford dealer. They seem to be coming to a dealer close to home for me on November 2nd. Judging by the dates, they must have multiple cars traveling around the country. For those interested in seeing in person, try putting in your zip code.

Amazingly, they will have one in Schenectady, 30 minutes from me, on the 12th. I registered.

Some updates on early range testing.

To me this just underscores how wonky the whole range testing thing is.
We all have different needs, but even the "highway" range the EPA test cycle runs is BS.
I saw it on a YouTube video the other day - can't remember which one, might have been Out of Spec?
But they went over the EPA test and even the highway test only has an AVG speed of around 50 mph plus stops.
A real highway test would be 70 mph, no stops, continuously until the EV gives up going forward.

This is why I take the EPA range and multiply it by 66% to find a "real world" range.
In regards to city driving, almost ANY EV now has enough for city, so I don't even worry about that.
My 2018 leaf had an EPA combined range of 150 miles, the real world range by my math is more like 100 miles.
Since I don't want to go down to zero % that actually works out pretty well. My dealer is 90 miles away and It takes my about 90% or more of the battery to get there. For napkin math, that 66% rule works well enough.

Anyway, if I was in change of the EPA an EV would have a sticker with two numbers: A 70 mph highway range and a standard cycle combined range.


https://insideevs.com/news/453378/ford-mustang-mach-e-epa-certifications-revealed/

IEVS:

Ford Mustang Mach-E: Range And Price Compared To Other BEVs

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https://insideevs.com/news/456138/ford-mustang-mache-range-price-compared-bevs/

Since the EPA range numbers for the Ford Mustang Mach-E are in (besides the GT version), we can take a look at how it stands against BEVs currently available on the market.

First of all, the Ford Mustang Mach-E range ratings are pretty solid - from 211 miles (339 km) to 300 miles (483 km). The top two 270- and 300-mile results are actually the best for non-Tesla EVs. It's the first 300-mile result (on the market) from a manufacturer other than Tesla.

The only downfall is that Ford uses bigger battery packs, but let's give them time to improve the efficiency over time, and by the way, we don't know whether it's an efficiency problem or just a big battery buffer to start conservatively.

Here is how it looks on the chart. Additionally, we included also the Volkswagen ID.4 RWD (expected 250 miles/402 km EPA), although it's delayed to Q1 2021. . . .

Even more interesting is the comparison of prices, as the Ford Mustang Mach-E (SR AWD) turns out to be the most affordable all-wheel-drive all-electric car (MSRP + DST, deducting federal tax credit).

Moreover, the Ford Mustang Mach-E is the most affordable model with a range of 300 miles: effectively from $45,600. . . .

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We'll have to see where the ID.4 comes in for EPA.

The only downfall

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<GONG> Oh, I'm sorry, that disqualifies you from being read by me, or respected by actual adults. Please take a remedial English class and try again in, say, a year.

danrjones said:

To me this just underscores how wonky the whole range testing thing is.
We all have different needs, but even the "highway" range the EPA test cycle runs is BS.
I saw it on a YouTube video the other day - can't remember which one, might have been Out of Spec?
But they went over the EPA test and even the highway test only has an AVG speed of around 50 mph plus stops.
A real highway test would be 70 mph, no stops, continuously until the EV gives up going forward.

This is why I take the EPA range and multiply it by 66% to find a "real world" range.

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It is not even 50 mph average. Per https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/fe_test_schedules.shtml under Test Details, the highest average speed of any of the test cycles is 48.4 mph. However, the high speed test does reach 80 mph. You can look more at https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/how_tested.shtml and https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/pdfs/EPA%20test%20procedure%20for%20EVs-PHEVs-11-14-2017.pdf.

You can read more about the EPA tests written over a year before Leaf shipped at https://web.archive.org/web/20100111052810/http://www.caranddriver.com/features/09q3/the_truth_about_epa_city_highway_mpg_estimates-feature. I'd originally posted them at https://priuschat.com/threads/car-and-driver-the-truth-about-epa-city-highway-mpg-estimates.67235/.

I like the chart if nothing else. I also see a lot of YouTube reviewers focusing on miles per dollar, a metric of value, but I have an issue with that.
A EV that cost less per $ of range is great, but if the range is too small for me, deal breaker, and if the cost overall is to high for me, I'm just jealous. But can't afford it. Such as Rivian.

Leaf /Plus is still a value leader when you toss in the additional 6k+ markdown off of MSRP.

I think for Leaf to stay in the realm of consideration, they are going to need to raise range to 250 miles and make a few cosmetic changes (center console, rear hump height, rear vents, memory on drivers seat).

They should also reduce msrp 5k.

All that said, Leaf was top seller today in Norway, edging out model 3 by unit.

https://elbilstatistikk.no/

I think for Leaf to stay in the realm of consideration, they are going to need to raise range to 250 miles and make a few cosmetic changes (center console, rear hump height, rear vents, memory on drivers seat).

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I think that the 220/150 mile range options will suffice to keep the car viable, especially in conjunction with the above minor improvements. It just isn't going to attract many younger people and/or those who drive a lot of miles.

IEVS:

Ford Mustang Mach-E: Official EPA Numbers For Four Versions Revealed

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https://insideevs.com/news/460270/ford-mustang-mache-official-epa-numbers/


Previously released numbers confirmed, all official EPA ranges voluntarily reduced by 3-6 miles. Both city and hwy ranges and efficiencies are given.

Guilty as slowly charged: Electrify America site lazily energizes a Ford Mustang Mach-E.

I am unclear on whether or not this slow charging was due to limits in the Mach-E or something to do with all the EA chargers at that location being slow for some reason. If the former, the car apparently needs some work. If the latter, the EA network needs work.

dgpcolorado said:

Guilty as slowly charged: Electrify America site lazily energizes a Ford Mustang Mach-E.

I am unclear on whether or not this slow charging was due to limits in the Mach-E or something to do with all the EA chargers at that location being slow for some reason. If the former, the car apparently needs some work. If the latter, the EA network needs work.

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https://www.plugshare.com/location/263843

Might perhaps be the location the story referred to. Polestar got 134 kW, no recent signs of problems in other check-ins...