Porsche Taycan - A 300 mile EV

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GCR:
First drive review: 202 Porsche Taycan 4S range experiences, from California canyons to the Arctic
https://www.greencarreports.com/new...riences-from-california-canyons-to-the-arctic


A reminder, the 4S is the "cheaper, lighter, slower" base version. Similar article at IEVS:
2020 Porsche Taycan 4S First Drive: Canyon Carver, Winter Warrior
https://www.motor1.com/reviews/387026/2020-porsche-taycan-4s-first-drive/


ABG:
Porsche Taycan demand exceeds expectations in Europe
30,000 customers have made down payments and 10,000 have placed firm orders
https://www.autoblog.com/2019/12/11/porsche-taycan-demand-exceeds-expectations/
 
GRA said:
Note that the City efficiency is lower than the Hwy efficiency, which shows the effects of a 5,132 lb,. curb weight. I suspect some of the rest is due to grippy, non-LRR tires. This is somewhat disappointing for the U.S., not that I think the typical Taycan customer will care given how the car will likely be driven.
They won't care about the range, but they'll go nuts if it doesn't beat a Tesla off the line or win the local street race.
 
Per the Green Car Reports article above, under significantly more favorable than EPA conditions (ideal temps, low speed):

After charging, for a driving stint that was mostly a low-speed freeway creep back to a staging area in downtown LA, we averaged 34.7 kwh per 100 miles (and 22 mph) over 13.6 miles. That stint suggested in the vicinity of 250 miles on a full charge.

This would add support that real world driving should look near the EPA ~200 mile range.

Agree, the high-roller performance enthusiast may not care tremendously about range and efficiency as long as he can get it from point A to B in style.
 
While the EPA 201 mile range for the Taycan may suck, as others have suggested, as long as it looks good and will work in town, most Porsche buyers won't care. Porsche buyers don't typically do long road trips in their cars unless it's a Cayenne or such family vehicle. Most will put at most 300mi/mo on their Taycans, I would bet.
 
ABG:
2020 Porsche Taycan crushes its EPA range in our exclusive test
We test the electric Porsche extensively on a set EV test route and on a desert road trip
https://www.autoblog.com/2020/02/03/2020-porsche-taycan-turbos-range-test/


. . . I’ve taken numerous trips in many different electric cars, so I was never concerned about the Taycan even if its range did prove to be “just” 201 miles. But it’s now abundantly clear to me that the Taycan Turbo’s real world range is easily better that the number the EPA gave it.

My result of 287 miles of projected range in around-town driving shows that there’s ample cushion if you drive normally. It took 72.9 kWh to replenish the battery afterwards, and the math works out to a consumption rate of 34.8 kWh/100. That’s fully 29% better than the EPA rating of 49 kWh/100.

It's true that most EVs can exceed their rated range when driven prudently, but I've never seen this much margin on this course. Still, an EV's published range is conservative by design, the result of lopping 30 percent off the number generated by the EPA test protocol. As it happens, 201 miles is exactly what you get if you take 30 percent off my 287-mile result. I'm not saying that my course mimics the EPA EV test pattern exactly, but maybe this result says something about the by-the-book nature of Porsche's numbers in the context of the EPA procedure.

Better still, the numbers didn’t plummet on a more spirited road trip. Higher speeds and a bit of light hooning up a mountain had an effect, but it was nothing like I expected. My projected range was still more than 50 miles better than its official rating after all that. So let’s agree to stop wringing our collective hands about the 2020 Porsche Taycan Turbo’s range. It’s more than fine.


On a mixed urban route, 287 miles indicated (201 EPA for the Turbo, actually drove 209.2 miles with 78 indicated DTE, 43% better than EPA driving middle of the pack, ACC set to 72 deg.).

Then, 167.5 miles driven to Borrego Springs on freeway, four lane as well as some two lane roads (the kind that people buy Porsches for), including up and down Mt. Palomar, with 86 miles on the DTE (253.5 total estimated) on arrival, driving it more like a Porsche.
 
This chart comparing the WLTP, EPA, and the range achieved by Nextmove is really interesting.

Porsche Taycan Turbo Almost Matches Tesla Model 3 In This Range Test
From https://insideevs.com/news/396446/porsche-taycan-turbo-tesla-model-3-range/
porsche-taycan-turbo-autobahn-range-test.jpg
 
Next move was just pointing out that the Tesla overstates it’s range and the Porsche understates it. InsideEVs Tom M came to a similar conclusion. The two cars, while not identical, are much more similar in range than the epa suggests.
 
The Ahr rating of the Taycan battery (93.4kWhrs) is very similar to the Nissan 40 kWhr Leaf (115 Ahrs), with the same parallel structure
(Taycan - 198S, 2P, Leaf - 96S, 2P).

The Taycan is the first production vehicle with a system voltage of 800 volts instead of the usual 400 volts for electric cars. This enables consistent high performance, reduces the charging time and decreases the weight and installation space of the cabling.

The two-tier Performance Battery Plus used in the Taycan Turbo S and Taycan Turbo contains 33 cell modules consisting of 12 individual cells each (396 in total). The total capacity is 93.4 kWh. The cells themselves are so-called pouch cells. In this cell type, the stack of electrodes is not enclosed by a rigid housing, but by a flexible composite foil. This allows optimal use to be made of the rectangular space available for the battery and a reduction in weight.

https://newsroom.porsche.com/en/products/taycan/battery-18557.html
 
Efficiency lower than Tesla? Range lower than Tesla? Not in independent testing.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a30874032/porsche-taycan-range-test-tesla-model-s/
 
WetEV said:
Efficiency lower than Tesla? Range lower than Tesla? Not in independent testing.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a30874032/porsche-taycan-range-test-tesla-model-s/

That's not a test it's a stupid inaccurate extrapolation with no scientific basis. Range is not a snapshot nor is SOC a comparative measure between two different cars.
 
EVDRIVER said:
WetEV said:
Efficiency lower than Tesla? Range lower than Tesla? Not in independent testing.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a30874032/porsche-taycan-range-test-tesla-model-s/

That's not a test it's a stupid inaccurate extrapolation with no scientific basis. Range is not a snapshot nor is SOC a comparative measure between two different cars.

It may not be highly accurate, but it is both scientific and non-stupid. Unless one or both of the cars have SOC estimates that diverge a lot from either the actual SOC or from the other car's SOC at the same reading, the above test is a reasonable attempt at comparing real world ranges. (If both cars' SOC displays diverge about the same amount, in the same direction, from actual SOC, then there is no major problem there.) They controlled for the route, the temperature, for speed, and for climate control usage. This is better than the EPA range test in several important ways.
 
IEVS:
UPDATE: Porsche Admits Taycan Burned Down; Video In Florida Shows It
https://insideevs.com/news/399288/porsche-taycan-burns-down-florida/


The German company is already aware of the incident, which is under investigation.

Porsche has confirmed that a Taycan has caught fire, a fact which had been supposed after images of a burned car in a garage surfaced on Twitter last weekend and were suspected to be Porsche's EV. . . .


Also IEVS:
Bill Gates Tells Marques Brownlee He Got His First EV: A Taycan
https://insideevs.com/news/399217/bill-gates-first-ev-taycan/



. . . It is a pity Brownlee did not ask Gates why the Taycan and not a Model S, for example. Was it a matter of customer loyalty? Was it a concern about the known issues a Tesla has? What made Gates choose a Porsche over a Tesla? It is all probably down to personal taste, but that could lead to a fascinating discussion.

When Brownlee asks what he misses in his experience with the Taycan, Gates says that range is still a big deal. And that he does not like the "pervasiveness of charging" compared to filing a gas tank. And he agrees with Jason Fenske that energy density is still an issue. . . .


Note: the interview was mostly about other issues involving the Gates' Foundation. like improving 3rd World public sanitation.
 
Taycan reportedly getting enhanced battery pack to improve range:

https://www.teslarati.com/porsche-taycan-enhanced-battery-better-range
 
As Taycan EVs become available across the country, I would recommend to visit your local Porsche dealer and take a test drive of Taycan Turbo or Turbo S, so you have a rock solid reference point of what performance EV should feel like. Do not be surprised if you start screaming like a school girl after you floor it for the first time. I tried all Teslas and at first after you floor Taycan - it would accelerate similarly, but wait for a second or two and it will drop a sledge hammer on you when it switches to the first gear - it accelerates like nothing else before it. Some folks may faint or get dizzy, though. Freaking rocket launcher. And it can do it all day long. I only experienced Turbo, Turbo S would be even crazier/scarier. You would remember it for a long time, I guarantee it. Less expensive $105K Tycan 4S is getting close to Model S range in price, so you can squeak most performance/assistance/battery options for total of $125K. That is a tad better than Turbo starting at $160K. I will retake test drive of Performance Model S and floor this sucker up to see if it is even close. Like I mentioned earlier, the most fun starts when Taycan down shifts the rear motor (only rear motor has dual gear). Teslas do not have the gears in any motor, so my expectations are a bit low at this point. BTW, Porsche sales folks are the one who will push you to kick the car hard, after short preview drive, then you switch to the driver seat. Considering you still feel up to it and do not need a "diaper change". I am pretty sure Tesla sales folks would freak out when you do it during test drive.
 
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