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I know who you are talking about and the reality is she is the type of person who cannot accept she made a bad decision. There is little doubt imm that the car was plugged in all the time when home. I am willing to bet she had 10,000 charging events logged in LEAF Spy.
 
I have seen cars the same age as mine with nearly 10x as many level 1 and 2 charges.
Pizza delivery maybe?
Electric cars can be abused too.
 
So, recently via on Bolt FB group, I learned of another more general group : https://www.facebook.com/groups/chevroletevgroup.

Oh boy... not surprisingly, some of the threads are a cluster#$%$%. This guy asks a question: https://www.facebook.com/groups/chevroletevgroup/permalink/950551705301738/ and folks decide to start discussing electricity. At least three folks use the wrong units (e.g. say "kw" or "KW" when talking about energy or battery capacity and use non-sense like "kw/h" when talking about charging rate ). :roll: Sigh.... C'mon people. Know what the you're talking about.

Fortunately, it's not everyone in the thread that has their units wrong...
 
^^^
Along the unit problems, on one of the Leaf groups, someone posted something in another language and mentioned a 110 kW Leaf, which is correct. '18 and '19 40 kWh Leaf have a 110 kW motor (https://usa.nissannews.com/en-US/releases/release-77b5f147884a4439bd10c4d9207f2237-us-2018-nissan-leaf-press-kit). 110 kW is about 147.5 hp. In some countries, it is common to advertise how powerful a vehicle is in kW or even German PS (Pferdestärke) instead of horsepower. Page 2 of https://www3.nissan.co.jp/content/dam/Nissan/jp/vehicles/leaf/1907/pdf/leaf_specsheet.pdf (from https://www3.nissan.co.jp/vehicles/new/leaf/specifications.html) mentions 110kW and 160kW along with 150PS and 218PS.

Anyway, some folks who of course didn't understand the difference starting belittling the post, saying it was misleading, thinking that "110 kW" was referring to battery capacity (which is in kWh) and so on. :roll: Unfortunately, the post got removed, it seems.
 
Oilpan4 said:
I have seen cars the same age as mine with nearly 10x as many level 1 and 2 charges.
Pizza delivery maybe?
Electric cars can be abused too.

Using a timer adds a session when plugged in (still verifies power available) and when the session timer initiates charge.

I also know a couple who have a 2011. Its their only car. They have it set on 80% SOC. They will charge is as much as 5 times a day or more. They will do a 3 mile round trip to the store plugging in immediately upon their return. This is repeated for every trip no matter how brief or how often. I am guessing they are well past 10,000 events by now.
 
DaveinOlyWA said:
Oilpan4 said:
I have seen cars the same age as mine with nearly 10x as many level 1 and 2 charges.
Pizza delivery maybe?
Electric cars can be abused too.

Using a timer adds a session when plugged in (still verifies power available) and when the session timer initiates charge.

I also know a couple who have a 2011. Its their only car. They have it set on 80% SOC. They will charge is as much as 5 times a day or more. They will do a 3 mile round trip to the store plugging in immediately upon their return. This is repeated for every trip no matter how brief or how often. I am guessing they are well past 10,000 events by now.

Have they ever tested their max range of late as far as you know and what that was? I am at 800 events on our 2016. The 740 events at the time of our purchase averaged out to about 30 miles of charge 5x weekly. I think they may have only used the 120 volt OEM charger due to the wear it shows and it was just loose in the truck. It was a lease with no history .
 
GaleHawkins said:
DaveinOlyWA said:
Oilpan4 said:
I have seen cars the same age as mine with nearly 10x as many level 1 and 2 charges.
Pizza delivery maybe?
Electric cars can be abused too.

Using a timer adds a session when plugged in (still verifies power available) and when the session timer initiates charge.

I also know a couple who have a 2011. Its their only car. They have it set on 80% SOC. They will charge is as much as 5 times a day or more. They will do a 3 mile round trip to the store plugging in immediately upon their return. This is repeated for every trip no matter how brief or how often. I am guessing they are well past 10,000 events by now.

Have they ever tested their max range of late as far as you know and what that was? I am at 800 events on our 2016. The 740 events at the time of our purchase averaged out to about 30 miles of charge 5x weekly. I think they may have only used the 120 volt OEM charger due to the wear it shows and it was just loose in the truck. It was a lease with no history .

I can pretty much say they have not. They are not nor were they ever interested in that kind of stuff. They don't drive much. A few thousand miles a year or so. They never leave town...sort of. They actually do a reasonable amount of flying but always take the airport Shuttle which is like $100. Seatac is about 50 miles away.

I am fairly certain they don't do freeways any more. I likely won't see them again until April (Earth Day) so I will ask (if I remember to...)
 
Along the lines of misinformation that keeps coming up: another pet peeve of mine on Leaf FB groups is the amount of times that people are confused about the battery capacity warranty.

Too many people keep saying that there's an 8 year/100K capacity warranty when someone comes on clearly mentioning a model year of Leaf that ONLY has a 24 kWh battery. :roll: Or, they're confused about that vs. the defects warranty. So, over and over, people keep having to explain the warranties, sometimes publishing screenshots of the pages from the warranty booklet. Cycle keeps repeating.

And, there's the occasional person who also makes some bizarre claim about a special California warranty. This came up again today and comes up every now and then.

There's also the disturbing trend of folks buying Leaf esp. pre-4/2013 Leafs without knowing anything about degradation, capacity bars, factors that speed up or slow down degradation, etc. then finding out that the car actually is pretty degraded or in other ways doesn't suit their use cases.
 
cwerdna said:
^^^
Along the unit problems, on one of the Leaf groups, someone posted something in another language and mentioned a 110 kW Leaf, which is correct. '18 and '19 40 kWh Leaf have a 110 kW motor (https://usa.nissannews.com/en-US/releases/release-77b5f147884a4439bd10c4d9207f2237-us-2018-nissan-leaf-press-kit). 110 kW is about 147.5 hp. In some countries, it is common to advertise how powerful a vehicle is in kW or even German PS (Pferdestärke) instead of horsepower. Page 2 of https://www3.nissan.co.jp/content/dam/Nissan/jp/vehicles/leaf/1907/pdf/leaf_specsheet.pdf (from https://www3.nissan.co.jp/vehicles/new/leaf/specifications.html) mentions 110kW and 160kW along with 150PS and 218PS.

Anyway, some folks who of course didn't understand the difference starting belittling the post, saying it was misleading, thinking that "110 kW" was referring to battery capacity (which is in kWh) and so on. :roll: Unfortunately, the post got removed, it seems.
Along these lines, someone on a private Bolt group for some reason today started complaining about the EA change to per kWh billing instead of time. Maybe it hit his state recently as that got rolled out to more states recently...

Anyway, he couldn't be bothered to use the right units, he starts complaining with.
So Electrify America is changing their pricing structure to a KW based charging structure. This is going to cost us bolt owners significantly more to travel. At $0.43 per kw to get to 80% charge will cost us $20.64
:roll:

C'mon people! If you're going to bring something up, is it too much trouble to use the right units so that you know what you're talking about?
 
LeftieBiker said:
Yes. Yes it is too much trouble for the average FB denizen, I'm afraid.
Indeed. Although some people jumped in using the right units and tried to explain things, some of it is a total cluster@$# because a few of them besides the OP of the thread can't seem to get kW vs. kWh straight.
 
cwerdna said:
LeftieBiker said:
Yes. Yes it is too much trouble for the average FB denizen, I'm afraid.
Indeed. Although some people jumped in using the right units and tried to explain things, some of it is a total cluster@$# because a few of them besides the OP of the thread can't seem to get kW vs. kWh straight.

Now that Tesla is leading the World to EV understanding and acceptance terms like kWh will become better known and understood. I have owned the Leaf for a year now and by buying one with a bad battery has been educational about EV things which was my main objective.
 
GaleHawkins said:
cwerdna said:
LeftieBiker said:
Yes. Yes it is too much trouble for the average FB denizen, I'm afraid.
Indeed. Although some people jumped in using the right units and tried to explain things, some of it is a total cluster@$# because a few of them besides the OP of the thread can't seem to get kW vs. kWh straight.

Now that Tesla is leading the World to EV understanding and acceptance terms like kWh will become better known and understood. I have owned the Leaf for a year now and by buying one with a bad battery has been educational about EV things which was my main objective.
LOL. Good luck with that. Tesla starting with the 3 and now has migrated to their enter product line has obfuscated in their specs and marketing material the actual battery capacity of their vehicle. Model S and X were originally sold w/the battery capacity listed and even part of the model "number" (e.g. 60, 85, S 85, etc.)

From experience w/Tesla drivers who have never had an EV before like some of my cow-orkers and some others I don't know besides some posts on "TMC" and other forums, many of them think of miles as "energy" when it's not (e.g. "how many miles did it add?", "it used up n miles of range", "I had x miles left") and talk about "miles per hour" of charging because their in-car and in-app UI shows that + other units.

Becomes super confusing when there are tables like https://web.archive.org/web/20190325232058/https://www.tesla.com/support/home-charging-installation/wall-connector that assume 240 volts but at work our supply voltage is 208 volts and we have ChargePoint L2 CT-4000 EVSEs that are 30 amps max and Tesla wall connectors in a power sharing arrangement so they could output 40 or 80 amps max. But the attached vehicle (depending on model and when it was built) could have 32, 40, 48, 72 or 80 amps of on-board charger. That revision of table assumes 48 amp OBC max as that's all Tesla sells now but we have plenty of 72 amp OBC Teslas at work and some 80 amp OBC ones.

We sometimes see pings in Slack at work like... "I'm getting 25 miles per hour of charging, is the normal?" The reply back has to be, "just tell me the voltage and amps the app is saying".

I had a "street"... err L2 charger encounter w/a Model S person who had their car for 3 years and they clearly didn't learn much about electricity: https://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?p=460701#p460701. And on, TMC, there are still posts like https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/52-kw-left-on-my-2017-75d.209415.

And these Reeler guy makes me SMH:
https://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?p=564743#p564743
https://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?p=565245#p565245

He may have been the first person in San Diego to receive a Leaf in Dec 2010 yet 6 years later, he doesn't know the difference between kW and kWh.
 
I think we agree knowing the meaning of KW and kWa is not a need of 99.9% of EV owners. Ask most ICE owners how many sparkplugs or transmission speeds they have and enjoy the blank stare.
 
GaleHawkins said:
I think we agree knowing the meaning of KW and kWa is not a need of 99.9% of EV owners. Ask most ICE owners how many sparkplugs or transmission speeds they have and enjoy the blank stare.

The only blank stares I see is the response to your statement.
 
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